Everyone's fighting about Jax, am I the only one who thought Caine's arc was badly truncated? His whole problem was that he loved the humans as an audience not as people. Having God like power over the circus, he had no need to ever listen to someone else or treat them as an equal. I thought it fell flat that he was able to resolve that just by talking it through to himself. They hinted at the blue AI throughout the show and I was hoping that it would force Caine to confront someone as an equal for the first time but instead it shows up after the character growth and literally just putters off into the sunset. It needed another 20 minutes.
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I think I get it. They've watched the show for years and felt part of the fandom and then suddenly the only character they can personally relate to turns out to be something they can't relate to. Kinger isn't relateable to a 16 year old kid.
I understand feeling like that. It's just not a story written for a 16 year old straight cis boy, but with a time period of literal years for the product to be created and released you'd pick up a lot of those people until the reveal at the end and then they feel suddenly spurned.
This is different to if a show is released over a season of 8-12 weeks and then disappears forever. There's a different investment. These straight boys that became emotionally invested in Jax over the period of years that the animation was releasing for (along with fan art community etc) suddenly find themselves unable to relate at the very very end of it and feel a bit lost because of that. Not necessarily because they've got anything against trans people, but because something they invested themselves in for a long time suddenly becomes unrelateable at the end.
It's a problem not with the show or with the straight cis kid posting this imo. It's a problem with the very long development and release process that creates a fandom on social media like this where people are investing themselves in it for multiple years.
I think he uses some shitty wording in some of this but I'm not going to cyber bully a kid for not having great phrasing.
Time to put a copy of The Catcher in the Rye on this kid's desk so he can finally have a story about a straight cis teen boy wearing a mask of cruel cynicism and emotionally distant toxic masculinity, and see what happens!
Yeah you're not wrong there either but it's a kid, I believe most of them change. I think some straight cis kid hanging out in queer fandoms at 16 learning what he's learning has a better chance of turning out ok compared to the ones that aren't.
Oh, absolutely, there's no question about that.
It's a problem not with the show or with the straight cis kid posting this imo. It's a problem with the very long development and release process that creates a fandom on social media like this where people are investing themselves in it for multiple years.
Millennials who browsed Newgrounds way back in the day learned this. You wait until the entire series (or season) gets released before you watch it all at once. A lot of those series either never get finished or botch the ending or just have a massive tonal shift. The zoomer OP is learning this the hard way.
I think you make some great points, but I also agree with some of the commenters in the thread in that you don't really need to 100% identify with a character to identify with certain aspects of their character. I think finding ways to identify with people and characters not like you is important for developing empathy and really learning about other people.
Also, yeah, after reading through the actual thread I don't want to be too hard on him. It sounds like he really did learn at least some things from the discussion which is positive.
I also agree with some of the commenters in the thread in that you don't really need to 100% identify with a character to identify with certain aspects of their character
Yeah I agree too.
The thing is that this kid is looking for the self-insert and there isn't one for him. The self-insert he was looking for turned out to be a trans person.
He's probably better off with Shonen anime.
i am once again vindicated for my incredible ability to enjoy something without interacting with The Fandomβ’ in the slightest 
wait isnt Kinger still a straight cis man, what is blud waffling about
Yes, but he's a non-toxic father figure. What dudes liked about Jax was specifically her mask of cynicism and cruelty and emotional distance, ironically all the stuff that first broke Ribbit and Kaufmo and then Jax herself.
very reassuring that i didnt like her until the mask started slipping. thought she was just comic relief jaded asshole until then. god i love that fuckass rabbit
Every trans coming out story is a cis erasure and that's just great.
EDIT: fwiw I hunted down this thread and it turns out that OP actually did some self-crit, which was more positive than I was expecting
Yay, friendship is magic!
I mean, OP still has some bad opinions it seems but they at started thinking about how their views might be problematic. Maybe. Hopefully.
People all start somewhere, and unpacking the harmful norms and beliefs you have internalized takes a long time
I'm proud of him for his baby steps, and I hope that he will continue to unpack and process more :)
OP originally didn't want to watch the show cause his friends said it was gay. Coming off of that I didn't expect much growth and honestly I'm just glad there was some instead of purely doubling down.
Wow cant imagine how it feels to watch a work that doesnt include any ppl from ur demographic /s
I still need to finish the finale and I feel like I just got spoiled lol
Nooooooo I thought the hints were obvious and ongoing throughout the series. should I NSFW the post and put a spoiler warning?