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Oregon began as a whites only state that's getting presented as 'oh it's just like that, we don't have those problems with racism here because it's a monoculture'
oh, my mistake then, I'm probably thinking of the behavior of ban + remove posts which makes it hard to figure out what was actually being said
re the Jordan transphobia ban, I had made a post about this a while ago when it happened, which was how I found out about the discord bot. absolutely incredible that anyone would use discord as the organizing medium for something like this. Just baffling to me that moderation was being delegated via discord, often with no record of what the removals even are. it seems to have just enabled petty and retaliatory behavior flying under the radar.
liberals defeating fascism by enabling it until it self-destructs 😎
I really don't like to reduce it all as people with reading/critical thinking problems, however theres a lot who can't escape from the team red vs team blue dynamic and this really shows it
I've been tempted to, as soon as it's about "foreign policy" they converge
city government: run by suburban car lovers, absolutely intractable, getting bike or bus lanes might as well be happening on the moon
state government: run by liberals who largely run near or entirely un-opposed. They do good things sometimes, but are simultaneously incapable of forcing municipalities to do good things, and roll over the feds when pressed. For example, no resistance to the fucked up ICE kidnapping campaign that's still going on.
National government is a hot mess and voting in my state has had a zero percent chance of influencing it in every election I've been alive for.
"democracy"
not sure what you're trying to say here, many Europeans and USians will act like they are. the 'russian bot' accusation is an automatic response to shut down dissenting speech that taps into that xenophobia.
I don't care what Putin says, just pointing out xenophobia when I see it
clearly everyone who says something you don't like must be a Russian bot, Wikipedia says it
/196 too, with that kind of post history I'm surprised there's nothing complaining about "tankies" 
I originally summarized my observations replying to Blaze in a different thread
I figured I'd include them here because in case anyone wants to correct my interpretation.
I had asked how he feels about posting in a com alongside people who are calling other users 'degenerate roaches'
He brought up that Hexbear users using the word roaches to refer to people too, my response:
From that link pretty much all of the usage is talking about the literal insect, or talking about reactionaries/fascists using it to refer to muslims, immigrants and other 'undesirables'.
Out of the handful of remaining uses, it's stuff like in the hexbear thread on this meanwhileongrad thread:
This is the most questionable usage I found, and it's referring to fash/reactionaries.
That's not the main point though, the bigger issue was getting called a 'degenerate' that's pretty much a red flag that someone's a cryptofash.
citing db0 on this one:
compare the use of the term on shit vs on hexbear:
While looking I found this one on hexbear from 5 years ago, almost 90 upvotes shitting on stalin for criminalizing homosexuality, and quoting him calling someone degenerate. I read this as extremely critical of Stalin:
All the usage on hexbear I see is either self-deprecating or discussing (negatively) about people using the term.
meanwhile on meanwhile on grad:
hmmm, calling people degenerates and complaining about commies, progressives and furries. 
Goat seems fine with replies calling people he doesn't like degenerates:
more examples:
site admin calls it out, entirely downvoted lol
Like you might think I'm being melodramatic, but I really don't see how meanwhileongrad isn't a nazi bar.
As I said, I don’t have a dog in this fight, it seems indeed bad to have such comments on both sides.
I really hope you re-assess both sides, because they are not equivalent.
I understand, there's plenty of problematic posters to go around, the issue I have is that it's normalized calling an instance which is overwhelmingly trans and queer 'degenerates', that's a major red flag, and it's behavior like that which was why hexbear defederated shit in the first place.
sh.it doesn't seem to have improved in that time
As a bonus here's some fun clips from this latest two minutes hate thread:
Goat has been really worked up lately, I arrived after the defederation happened, but I read the hexbear threads related to this not long after I started lemmy and his interpretation of events is comically conspiratorial.
The chronology was that hexbear had been off doing its own thing for like 3 years, and only re-merged with lemmy due to the technical issues maintaining a separate fork. That happened to coincide with the major reddit wave, correct me if I'm wrong but nobody here is taking orders from dessalines, right?
It looks like Hexbear tried to broadly fedarate, some users were looking forward to it, but others apprehensive and preferring to keep everyone else out. Once it became more clear how toxic and unmoderated most of the fediverse was, they made the decision to defederate.
Also is there a discord? The only matrix groups I'm aware of are for mods and the trans space. People should probably be aware that there's potentially nazi trolls hanging out there.
One last one for the road, goat upvote policing and accusing db0 of being pro-uygher genocide.
so what's the official hexbear line on calling people degenerates or cockroaches?
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Hi all, thank you for reading my post. modlod link
Clocks got banned first after suggesting that the OP try to be a genuine friend and try to find some common cause in real life rather than alienating people over abstract geopolitical factionalism:
[> The original post feels like bait, but here is an authentic response.
Maybe genuinely be their friend instead of alienating them based on political flavoring. Perhaps you can be better working together to help others in your locality or communities than squandering over geopolitical matters. Swallow your frustrations, being annoyed is a part of being in a community. You can move on. ](https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/modlog?commentId=13347091)
I raised the issue that censoring earnest advice as 'tankie apologia' and preemtively writing off any common cause/ isolating people is no way to win people over either as friends or comrades.
I then got banned for this one, for continuing to find 'the tankie triad' extremely silly:
yeah that's the context, I was just laughing because:
- only Lemmy users with an axe to grind call them that
- it sounds really silly, like they're a nemesis to dr venture.
- I'm supposed to be the melodramatic one yet every day I get one-upped 😔
screenshot:
I'm not here to tell them how to run their comm, my position is that this is way more draconian than anything I've run into in any of 'the tankie triad'. The same groups of people loudly complaining about censorship on 'tankie' run instances don't seem to have a problem enforcing vague/arbitrary vibes based censorship in their spaces.
found/translated from xiaohongshu
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my retirement plan was dying in the water wars already, I guess the timetable has been moved forward