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[–] somewhiteguy@reddthat.com 135 points 2 days ago (9 children)

"Secret" just like those emails I get from HR asking my opinions about management that are completely anonymous, but don't forward this email or share the link with anyone else because it's just for me....

[–] U7826391786239@piefed.zip 62 points 2 days ago (3 children)

and if you're in a smaller organization, any details you provide for what you're complaining about will instantly tell them exactly who you are

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Any detail will do that, really.

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Doesn't need to be a small org. The results tend to go to line managers who know all their team anyway

[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've sat in mid and upper level executive meetings about this stuff.

They 100% know exactly who did what review, it's not secret no matter how much they swear up and down it is, if you're high enough in the chain.

Lower middle management won't be told who it was generally, especially if their report size is a handful. They still know exactly what was inputted though because they see the responses and can generally tell who it was based on that alone due to context hints.

Always creates a fun bit of drama, but they really don't like that their dirty laundry gets aired.

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 13 points 2 days ago

We had a system like that when I was a manager. It was anonymous but I could usually still tell who it was based off the writing style on the comments or the fact that they were complaining about things that they had already brought up to me. I didn't retaliate against anyone though. Usually I agreed with them and they were complaining about things I had no control over

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can confirm these are definitely confidential. In so far as your name isn't on it. My place shows us the best and the worst comments

However we can usually tell who said what and me and my manager play a game of who said what each time it comes around.

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 2 days ago (3 children)

me and my manager play a game of who said what each

Definitely easier than taking action, right?

You're on the wrong side of the meme.

[–] Z3k3@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If it were something I can fix it do take action but at my level its trivial shit such as ensuring enough time is allocated to training. The stuff they really complain about is all the stuff the c suite asshats do. You know the ones that dont know us mear mortals beyond can we replace them with ai

But go ahead dont let that get in the way a good narrative you have built up in your head

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[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I like to think Youtube removed the dislike count because their youtube year in review videos were getting slammed with dislikes

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 54 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Users up voting and down voting controls what's get popular, by not being transparent about it YouTube can promote crap no one wants to see.

It is just another form of enshitification.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

How many people checked the like/dislike ratio before opening a video?

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

Practically everyone.

If you were searching for a tutorial, it was a fantastic time saver.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

There were even extensions for showing a bar display of the ratio under the thumbnail. So my guess is the answer would be "enough"

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Somewhere between two and three billion

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[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You asked a question no one can answer.

Instead of asking impossible questions, I suggest just using a bit of logic. Officially, YouTube removed the like/dislike because they felt people were prejudging videos before viewing them themselves. Unofficially, people speculate they did it to have greater control of what people watch. But in either case, such a change would only make sense if plenty of people were checking the ratio prior to viewing. If no one ever paid attention to it, then there wouldn't be anything to be gained by tampering with it.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Would have thought it was because a bunch of thumbs down on advertisements looks bad for advertisers.

[–] VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 61 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Five star rating system was dumb because almost every rating was 1 or 5 stars. It was right to replace with a thumbs up/thumbs down system.

They stopped showing the number of thumbs down. They did not take away the thumbs down button.

[–] eronth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They stopped showing the number of thumbs down. They did not take away the thumbs down button.

While true, what's the difference? Do we know that they use thumbs down in anything anymore?

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[–] BlackPenguins@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Can confirm this. I created a 5 Star system for my recipe app. Had the feature for a year, I didn't use it once. I just couldn't justify the difference between a 4 or 5 Star. Or 2 and 3 Star.

Switched to dislike, like, love buttons. Nice and discrete. Been using it for weeks now.

[–] doingthestuff@lemy.lol 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Yeah it's still better than FB which doesn't even have a thumbs down. Fortunately I'm only on FB for my job, not being able to downvote makes me crazy.

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[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Five star rating system was dumb because almost every rating was 1 or 5 stars. It was right to replace with a thumbs up/thumbs down system.

That assumes that the only use for ratings is for averaging the aggregate votes across all users. Nope. Sometimes for a specific user they like to be able to see the granularity of their own ratings for their own use. And even if it is a public aggregated thing the rating service can still treat all 1-2 stars as downvotes and 4-5 stars as upvotes while it's easier to use the simpler algorithms, but to still store the more precise data for analyzing correlations at greater detail.

Big tech covered the world in trillion-parameter AI models and couldn't even figure out what to do with 5-star ratings differently from upvotes/downvotes? It's ridiculous.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

But they did this for one reason and one reason only to appease the companies they advertise for.

That is all. Marketers like safe mundane non-volatile markets. Having a lot of dislikes on a video creates a connotation to the advertisement being played on it.

This is nothing more than marketing.

And don't forget marketing is one of the most evil institutions ever created by humanity.

[–] HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Every step:

"Let's make it more difficult for people to realize the video they're about to watch is hated (so people keep coming back for more and advertisers keep paying us more), but not in a way that is blatant so we lose a significant portion of our userbase."

[–] 13igTyme@piefed.social 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

There's an extension that adds the dislike count back.

[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago

It estimates dislike amount. I might be wrong but the way it works is that it puts likes from everyone, dislikes from ones who has this extension and an overall view count, mixes this data up in a formula and gives an output of approximate dislike count. Factual count is only known to creators.

[–] itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's unreliable from what I have read

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Of course it is, because YouTube doesn't provide the data so it is forced to derive the rating only from people who use that extension.

[–] bilb@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 days ago

I'd always wondered how that worked.

[–] wabasso@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Oh no! I thought it accessed some YouTube API that exposed the dislike data, but of course even if it did that, that data wouldn’t have dislikes from people that don’t have the extension!

The point is I’m now even more heartbroken about the loss of the Neutral video’s balance.

[–] takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago

My understanding is that It works by storing number of likes and dislikes and computes a ratio then extrapolates it using the number of likes provided by YouTube API.

Here what their site says:

https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/faq

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It's not exact, but it's still a useful indicator.

Well, I wouldn't say unreliable. It does not match the real dislike count, because it only knows about the people using the extension. It's like the difference between the official rating of an app on the google play store and some third party user review site. It's not that one is more reliable than other, just different people contribute.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Gotta love the reddit watermark

[–] jaybone@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lookup the video on Reddit to see if it's worth watching.

I rate this comment 🤡🤡🤡 out of 5 clowns.

[–] FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Youtube had a star rating system for videos?

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 44 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Here's what a video page looked like back in 2003:

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have my doubts a video could've had 14M views in 2003.

Especially since it was launched in 2005.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 points 2 days ago

I meant 2005. That was my bad.

Evolution of dance, the most watched video of 2005 on the site, had over 20 million views by 2006.

[–] maltasoron@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 days ago

It looks like an edited screenshot, like "What if the Nixon-Kenny debate happened now?"

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[–] drcobaltjedi@programming.dev 7 points 2 days ago

Early on yeah, they replaced it with the thumbs up/down system since most star ratings were 1 or 5.

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[–] homes@piefed.world 8 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I use the super secret system of telling my favorite YouTubers how disappointed I am that they're not gay when they announce that they're having a baby

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