0-10 years.
You can die during the first 60 at any time, never making it.
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Or never retire due to circumstances outside your control in your working years
40+ years is a long time for shit to go wrong
i think about this when looking at the deduction % on my paystub i chose for retirement savings i may never use
At least it will give your children or siblings something to fight over when you die.
only 1 child, so he has it easy, unless i remarry, then it may get spicy
Die before retirement? Well that's one way to escape wage slavery 😄
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"Free"
Both my parents retired. Are they living it up? Are they checking things off their bucket lists? Nope. They're having emergency surgeries, planned surgeries, going to the doctor all the time, taking a regiment of pills or they die, and hanging around the house because they're old and their mobillity isn't great.
A just reward after a lifetime of work.
It's a scam, friends. You're going to work until you're dead or until it doesn't really matter anymore whether you're dead or not.
I used to get downvoted to shit for saying things like this, but enjoy and use your youth.
No matter how you treat your body, you do not know what will happen to it. You may be athletic, rarely ill, an extremely healthy eater. You can still end up with a genetic condition you didn't know about, with a cancer you never fully recover from, losing all of your limbs, losing your bowels or bladder. Dying. All kinds of things.
All of this can happen at any time in your life. Any time. You are not safe from bodily ailment just because you are young and apparently healthy.
Even if nothing happens until you are old and decrepit like a healthy person ought to be, you will still have lost the best years of your life.
This framework fails to consider all the time between those main activities, which we spend shitposting.
Indeed, most days consist of 8 hours working, 8 hours sleeping and 8 hours shitposting.
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How selfish of you to deny your fortune to be able to contribute to the wealth of the chosen few!
bUt iF yOu SeE yOuR wOrKpLaCe lIkE fAmIlY tHeN yOu nEvEr wOrK a DaY iN yOuR lIfE!
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40 years? Try 50+
I started working at 14-15, and I'll be happy if I can retire at 65
I'm expecting 13-73.
You should be having fun during the 20 years that you're studying. And you should be having fun during the 40 years that you're working.
It's actually possible to get meaning from what you do as well. May not pay the best in the world, but it's out there. I was in non-profit administration for many years, and I work for a law school now that helps poor folks, many BIPOC, get degrees so they can better themselves and their communities. Social justice people. I've also worked for a private conservative-owned company that only enriched some fuckwads, and I'll not be doing that again.
Also I run a nonprofit that I founded on the side, and we're hoping to hire our first staff person this year, I get a lot of meaning from that.
Basically if you work to change the world for the better instead of just slumping through your day, you feel good about your life, even though it's hard work.
Yes, there's that, too.
But even if you don't like your job and don't find much meaning out of it, it's still worth trying to find contentment and happiness in other parts of your life.
I've had jobs I hated with coworkers I loved. I've had jobs I've liked in places I hated. I've had jobs I mostly hated that I actually appreciate having taught me important skills I still use today (for example, a 3-year stint in restaurants in my 20's was miserable in a lot of ways, but it helped me stretch a tight grocery budget and fed me plenty of staff meals, and 20+ years later I'm still a great cook).
Jobs don't define us. For many people, they're just a small part of us. And we should go on to build fulfilling lives for ourselves across many domains, not just at work.
I had fun in college. My major didn't define my actual day to day, or my memories of that time. I had fun in high school. I had fun in elementary school too. I don't remember everything or even everyone, but I know I had a blast at those stages in my life, and most of the fun was had outside of school.
Work is the same way.
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Suicide until you're reincarnated in billionaire family.
You incarnate into a rich family just in time for global economic collapse because of the actions of your family.
Don't mistake this as me saying this work-til-you-die shit is okay, cause it's not. But freedom is as much a mindset as it is a material circumstance. There are people who have everything but freedom and there are people who have nothing but freedom.
The meaning of life is listening to groovy basslines on the way to and from work. And hugging your loved ones.
Don't let anything distract you from that.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is, in fact, the objective truth.
Free? That's when your kids send your grandkids for you to take care of. Ungrateful bastards...
Parents are the ones who should be grateful for their children. Parents are the ones who wanted the children.
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40 Hopefully!
You think you are going to retire for 5-10 years? Cute.
I was free from 0-6.
I am going to study from 6-27, roughly, though also working in the meantime. Let's call that 20 years.
I intend to work from 23-50, at most. Hopefully less. That's 27 years.
There's some overlap.
Let's say I die at 80 (I'm almost 25). A slightly early death, on average.
That's 36 free years. 27 years of work. 20 years of study.
36 free years VS 44 work/study years
Methinks possible. Methinks not so bad?
I'm curious on how you plan to retire at 50. Doing that where I live means you basically get no pension so you'd have to have saved up enough to live the rest of your life during those 27 years, so a bit over half your income would need to go into a savings account.
Look up "FIRE" for "financial independence, retire early."
tl;dr - save a larger chunk of your salary and ~~invest it~~ become part of the owner class, living off the ~~interest, dividends, and capital gains~~ surplus value generated by the working class.
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300 years ago:
Probably die
Work
Die
I’m a 43 year old engineer in an auto plant and I really enjoy my work.
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Anf then you move to western or northern europe. Wait you guys got childhoods? Wait you guys get actual 6-8 hours of work a day instead of having 4 hours of unpaid overtime after it? Wait you guys get to retire at an age and health condition where you just travel poor african and asian countries for another 15 years being racist in some very strange colonialist manner?(this last one being a critique)
It's not that bad. You're generally not aware of what you're doing for the first 10 years. Then study for the next 10. Then, if you work to live and not live to work, you might get something out of life. Anything post work, I kinda see as a bonus, not a goal. Predisposed medical conditions may mean you aren't seeing those years anyway. Actually... it may be that bad lol.
Just don't take it that seriously. Live till you die.
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The meaning is to live life and enjoy as much as you can along the way.
I'm going to leave my kids more than my parents will leave me, and more than their parents left them, and hopefully they'll be shaped with better ideals because of me.
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The Beatles had the meaning of life in a song back in the day- Life Goes On
That's it, it just goes on
If you're lucky you have a kid
The only thing missing from this is the quest for a cruelty free pee, that seems to take up most of our lives these days.
The philosopher Emil Cioran had an interesting take on this. If I read him right we can stop looking for the meaning of life. It won't make us happy to look, but it also won't make us happy to stop. Nothing will make us happy.
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