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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 57 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Japanese salmon nigiri weren't a thing until the 1980's when Norway launched a trade push to open up a new market there.

[–] axexrx@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That also makes sense from a tech standpoint. Ocean salmon aren't safe for sushi, they have have too many parasites. You need to either catch them from the river they spawn in before they get to the ocean for the first time, or from a lake, which iirc Japan didnt have any lakes with salmon populations. (Harvesting from streams at scale is also a bad idea, because they wont have had a chance to breed so youre going to be killing off a portion of the population)

Even then its dicey; for raw, you really want farmed salmon, that are bred in a tank, with no parasites in the water.

So it wasnt until global shipping and really the rise of factory farmed fish, that safe enough populations of salmon existed.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

That's right! It just blew my mind when I learned about it because it feels like it should be this ancient Japanese ur-sushi, yet it's a very modern invention, or perhaps innovation is a better word here.

It's like chili in Asian food is not older than some three hundred years, before that they had their various spice mixes to achieve a similar result. Or tomatoes in Italy, same thing, and pasta as well. I mean potatoes came to Europe in the 1700's...

[–] nwtreeoctopus@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

Modern flash freezing also keeps the quality high while killing the parasites.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Afaik salmon are farmed in large cages in the sea (fjords)

[–] Gathorall@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Note that Japan already traded with the Nordics quite extensively, including some more traditional fish options, and the parasite-free salmon was promoted on top of a well-established trade that Norway wanted to expand with a fish they produced in abundance.

[–] robocall@lemmy.world 35 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

The crunchwrap was invented in 2005

[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If time travel is ever invented I'd love to give a plaeolithic hunter gatherer a crunch wrap

[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I feel like that would ruin their life. Like spoilers for a good ending that they'll never see. They'd be chasing that dragon unto death.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

A modern day big gulp would probably kill a caveman.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I heard you could send a strongly worded crunchwrap through the mail, instead of hiring a lawyer. But one of the guys on that podcast turned out to be a creep and the joke fucking dematerialized.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

no shit? Ciabatta sounds like a culturally significant thing that's been around for a long time, crunchwrap sounds like a consumer food product that was invented in modern times

[–] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I only ever eat the original^TM^ bread from 10000 years ago

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I only eat bread from the recipe that they found in Ötzi's stomach

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 day ago

Why did they have a recipe in their stomach?

[–] Dicska@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I only eat bread from Ötzi's stomach.

[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

I think you're describing beer.

[–] splashgarden@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I will let ciabatta's infancy slide because it's a top tier bread

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Counterpoint:

Obviously all the good breads already been invented.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] addie@feddit.uk 8 points 2 days ago

Just need a chutney that was developed in the 90s, and then we can make a delicious chutney+blue ciabatta sandwich that's all younger than you think.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Hupf@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

Press Ϝ to pay respects

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 days ago
[–] Pudutr0n@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

the future is now, old man.

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Did they invent the little ciabattas they use for sandwich plates at the same time, or did those come later?

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

You can thank Rick Moranis for that

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't care when someone ~~invited~~ invented the bread. I care how it tastes.

[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Tbf, if they invited them too late, that's just bad breadiquette.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Try to invent new bread in today's social media landscape and you'd be toast

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Haha, you provided me an opportunity to do one of those shitty pun threads that I always come across too late after all the good ones are already taken, so I appreciated the typo anyhow!