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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 129 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

I cannot imagine being such a dimwit as to be one of the people just now waking up to this.

I mean....did these people really not see his first term? Did they really think that the only reason he failed in his first term was because of Covid?

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 61 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

"What do you mean? Covid happened under Biden, as did anything else bad that happened during Trump's presidency. "

Unironically have had to walk people through the timeline because they seriously believe covid entirely happened during Biden's term.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And for those that think you're joking. The showdy is often relevant.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 11 points 3 weeks ago

I forgot about the O'Reily clip. Impressive levels of cognitive dissonance that people go through to justify their feelings on events. I'm still baffled that people can misremember basic timelines facts involved with one of the biggest disruptions of people's lifetimes that only had happened a few years ago. Realizing how fictional people's memories were about even recent major events made it a lot more understandable how people were so easily manipulated in to thinking a billionaire conartist was somehow going to try to help them this time.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

No wonder the same bunch think Biden had "the worst economy", LOL. Cannot even recall basic recent history.

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[–] ImInLoveWithLife@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The majority of my coworkers have casually stated the last week, "I don't agree with the way this is all happening.", but still overall support the agenda and hold their line. It's a combination of ignorance and stupidity. They're just fascists without even knowing. I live in a deep red area and from what I can gather when I hear talk out in the street, most people are either completely unaware or excited "they're taking America back." There is no convincing these people. I have tried for years and years, and when they seem to hear you and begin to digest what you've said, they come back the next day more sure than before that Facebook and Fox keep them informed. Many of them can't tell you what the three branches of government are or how many Senators there are or provide correct answers on the simplest of civics questions.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s truly incomprehensible to most blue/libs that magas and conservatives are genuinely and permanently deranged cultists

They really believe it’s possible to use words and logic to convince them of things, hence the poster being confused why they aren’t convinced of anything

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Because our elected officials refuse to talk like this and many constantly stress how bipartisan they try to be with everything. Saying "about 35% of this country are raving psychopaths who can not be compromised with and must be disempowered" is not an easy feel good campaign message but it's what people need to hear.

[–] gustofwind@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah it’s incredibly dangerous to simply ignore or pretend that these are rational people to negotiate with

They certainly aren’t negotiating with us so I’m not sure when these compromise is king types will realize this is a kill or be killed situation

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[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

A majority of Americans polled in the survey -- 58% -- characterized Trump’s first year of his second term as a “failure,” according to the poll.

Just 42% of respondents said Trump’s second term has been a success.

Imagine how dim the 42% must be.

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[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

The majority of Americans have significant, legitimate material and social grievances that cause them real duress. Most are surrounded by a curated low-information media environment and society that reinforces punching down, zero sum in-out group thought, scapegoating, etc. And the only official political choice they're ever allowed is between two preselected corporate stooges.

I think we're the dimwits if we're confused as to why Trump has so much inertia.

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[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

The people who support Trump after even 2018 are literally so cognitively disabled, I would genuinely submit for consideration that those people are as true to NPCs as possible. 

Your average cockroach is more capable of self reflection and complex critical thinking than your average Trump supporter.

Bacertia is a better candidate for holding its own personal, and expansive personal thoughts than a Trump supporter.

ChatGPT is more capable of hallucinating genuine human empathy and emotional intelligence than a Trump supporter.

Cosmic background radiation is more grounded to Earth than a Trump supporter.

These people are simply stupid beyond repair and shouldn't be respected as equals in any capacity.

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[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Im in Canada and have friends who believed his second term would be mostly as feckless as his first.

They didn’t understand how project 2025 meant he was going to be coming out of the gate with someone else’s agenda with all of the key players, including scotus in his back pocket. It all lined up to mean shit was going to go down fast and hard.

Look where we are one year in. 3 more years to subvert or nullify the next election.

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[–] radio@sh.itjust.works 75 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

He has virtually no support from Democrats while 9 in 10 Republicans back Trump.

Nothing has changed. The fascists still like fascism, they just wish eggs were a little cheaper.

[–] favoredponcho@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I don’t want to live in the same country with these people.

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[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Except there are fewer people identifying as Republican than ever before so that statistic doesn't mean all that much. When people go from approving to disapproving of Trump they just leave the GOP because it's a cult that is extremely hostile to dissent, so the ratio of Republicans who approve of him stays high while his popularity with the general public continues to go down.

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 39 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I legitimately cannot comprehend polls where people who voted for Trump in 2024 changed their minds.

Trump- "Hey I'm going to do all this terrible shit"

Voters- "I'm going to vote for Trump presumably because I like his platform"

Trump- *does exactly what he said he was going to do*

Voters- >:(

[–] spizzat2@lemmy.zip 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I recently overheard a conversation between two people complaining about how, after the election, their friends unfollowed anyone who followed Trump.

Their argument was "I only voted for one issue. It's not like I have time to know everything."

It was an aggravating interaction, but also a strong reminder of just how ignorant the average voter is.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I only voted for one issue.

Hm, I wonder what that was.

Regardless, it's not like someone is going to spend four years on one issue.

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

IKR? These people wanted to pretend they were picked on, the poor dears, for espousing small government, personal responsibility, waging war on "socialized medicine", trading wicked memes about "Going Galt" or how the nine most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

No, it's always about them wanting to force people to host the worst versions of what a human being might say on their private platforms - spreading xenophobia, anti-gay, anti-trans, misogynist hate speech, or spreading outright lies about, oh, I don't know, a pandemic.

Gosh, I wonder why what offends conservatives the most is when people want to disassociate from them for this last stuff? I mean, if it's not a central plank of their movement and their platform?

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[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think a lot of them heard what they wanted to hear. Certainly few wanted to read anything about Project 2025, even though it was a click away. Or voted with their "tribe" and know next to nothing about that tribe's decades long platform, Taco's specific agenda, Project 2025's agenda, or the conservative "movement" that underlies all of it.

Or they were simply racist AF and thought all the undesirables were going to be whisked away as if by magic and without any kind of visible consequences like women shot and children gassed. Or they thought he "didn't really mean it" but he's a miracle-worker on the economy...

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

42% approving is way way too high.

[–] designated_fridge@lemmy.world 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah this is the scary part. Idiots like Trump will always exist. The fact that so many Americans will follow an idiot is the worrying part.

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[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Apparently a lot of people in the US don't think mocking a disabled person to be "too far". Or raping children.

Fucking morons.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

The US has a cancerous culture of selfish, self-centered narcissism and blind, feudal loyalty to money and those with money. No amount of monstrousness tugs the heartstrings until it impacts them personally. Slowly, those same selfish, evil, self-centered scum are realizing that the suffering they wanted to inflict on others impacts them. They will gain no self-awareness from this and learn nothing, continuing to metastasize even even after Trumpsolini is finally dead and rotting in the ground.

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[–] rauls5@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

The only thing these polls demonstrate to me is that about 40% of the voters are morons and should be stripped of the right to vote.

[–] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A practice that has never gone wrong or been misused in American history! 👍

[–] azertyfun@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

As someone who lives relatively near a "strategic target" that would be targeted by one to several ICBMs should Trump happen to have a particularly bad (but certainly not unthinkable) outburst one of these days, please know that I am saying this with as much restraint as I can muster:

I do not care what happens to MAGA, they must must stopped at any cost.

None of this shit is about looking good in the history books anymore. Trump is diving head first down a path that leads to WWIII. This is not a joke, this is not hyberbole. He's literally doing everything that Hitler did but with thousands of nukes at his absolute unchecked disposal. This is about the survival of human civilization, and any action that helps bring about the downfall of the Trump regime is a legitimate one. Unfortunately no-one is willing to admit it until billions die in a nuclear winter because a demented turd couldn't handle someone telling him no for once in his fucking life.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I realize you're probably not serious, but, still, voter disenfranchisement is both a slippery slope and a tactic employed by those everyone calls fascists. Two wrongs do not make a right and all that.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Uh... and what exactly are these americans doing about it...?

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Sharing angry rehearsed AOC videos on Reddit and writing "wake up america 😡", aren't they brave? Isn't that the greatest opposition you've ever seen?

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Protests are becoming more frequent around here, even in the cold Southerners are not prepared for. This weekend I drove under a FUCK ICE protest on an overpass, with a FUCK ICE sticker on my car, to a store and passed a panhandler with a giant FUCK THE POLICE sign. Then my Mexican neighbors reached out to thank me for putting the sticker on my car. I feel a sense of alignment around me. I'm in Arkansas of all places. (I'm omitting quite a bit of anti-trans shit this weekend but that's another story).

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[–] Martinus@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

"Failure" and "gone too far" are understatements and give the impression it was all by accident.

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[–] Baphomet_The_Blasphemer@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

His first term was a failure, I don't even know how to describe his second so far.

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[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago

Oh no the polls lmao.

Meanwhile citizens are murdered in the streets. Glad THE POLLS are going to fix that real fast

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

He has virtually no support from Democrats while 9 in 10 Republicans back Trump.

So, ‘disastrous’ in the sense of clickbait headlines, but in practical terms, A-OK.

[–] ClownStatue@piefed.social 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Some notes:

  • Restoring safety to the United States (39% to 35% who said he made progress)
  • Bringing law and order back to our cities (42% to 33%)

Speaks to the information bubble most MAGA/Conservatives live in. Right-wing media has been banging the "they're coming for you kids" drum for decades. According to them crime has always been terrible, and cities are the worst hellscapes for people to live. It ignores that statistics don't back this up at all, rural communities were/are-being devastated by opioids/fentanyl/meth, and actual per capita crime rates in big cities are generally lower than in smaller areas.

  • Bringing back free speech to America (41% to 27%)

More right-wing media propaganda pushing the narrative that social media and the "main-stream media" (you know, as opposed to Fox News - the most watched news network in the US for over 20-years running) have been silencing conservative viewpoints. You know, viewpoints like:

  • Trickle-down economics work.
  • Immigrants are taking everyone's job, and it's the immigrants' fault, not the employers.
  • Man-made climate change is a myth or overblown. This one has morphed so much over the years. It used to be that all climate change was a myth. Now, they say it's real, but not our fault. One day, they might actually get there!
  • Trans people are in some way, lesser humans. Replace "trans" with "gay" or "black" and you have a conservative plank of ~30- & ~60-years ago, respectively. Notice a trend?

So basically, social media is trying to point out bullshit, and conservatives are noticing that "bullshit" mostly covers shit they say. Not to say liberals don't also spout bullshit, but it doesn't tend to become planks in the national party's platform.

  • Keeping our children safe, healthy and disease free (40% to 26%)

Not even touching this one. The safe part is covered above. Remember "Stranger Danger," anyone?

  • Stopping the weaponization of the Justice Department (41% to 21%)

More right-wing propaganda. Same as the "free speech" bullshit above.

  • Being a peacemaker and unifier (47% to 25%)

Ignoring that this man has never in his life given off either vibe, how does one expect to find any "unifier" candidate when the to predominant political arguments in the US are:

  • They have propped up a useful idiot demigod to consolidate/maintain power and overturn/reclassify/rewrite large portions of the Constitution and Federal Law at the expense middle- and lower-class Americans. But we will still offer up massive concessions on immigration, funding, etc. in order to keep the government operating and not punish those same Americans for Washington BS (for which a significant percentage of them voted).
  • They are absolutely evil. They are woke Satanists. God wants you to hate them with every fiber of your being. They want to let rapists and murderers flood this country to take your jobs and children. They want to force your children to be gay or trans. They want you to rely on government for your every need so they can control you. They deserve nothing because we are 100% right; and if you can't see that, you're either not listening to us or you're one of them.
[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

how does one expect to find any “unifier” candidate when the to predominant political arguments in the US are:

Conservatives are the ones that wore the "fuck your feelings" shirts.

They don't want a "unifier". They want revenge on everyone that ever made fun of them for saying and believing stupid shit. They want revenge on people smarter than them, more educated than them, and people with more expertise than them. And they love Donvict because they think he'll do it.

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Here in the UK, we were promised millions per week for the NHS, better jobs and "oven ready deals" to replace our relationship with the EU. Over 50% of people who voted fell for that bullshit. Some are upscaling to the further right Reform (UKs equivalent to MAGA). Telling bold lies will fool too many people, again and again. We cannot sit back. The motivated gobshites will vote us into oblivion.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Meanwhile, project 2025 is ongoing. They'll discard him once they're done having him absorb all the outrage and providing plenty of distraction.

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[–] FisherOfSaints@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

while 9 in 10 republicans back Trump

In a sense the only part that matters in terms of the problem we face.

The hard core might be contracting a bit, but it is hardening as a result.

[–] Xilia112@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Man, here at france, patrs has burned for way less than this.

I hope they eventually wake up and see that the only way to stop this obvious dictatorship forming is torches and pitchforks. But modernized.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 3 weeks ago

Just 42% of respondents said Trump’s second term has been a success.

I'm not sure 42% approval is a disaster. In Europe that wold be an amazing result. Even in USA with all the gerrymandering, voter suppression laws and constitution in general giving advantage to red states that could be enough for them to win another term. Definitely enough to stop democrats from getting anything done.

[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Lol, what? No, we don't say he's gone too far. We say he's a criminal who shouldn't be in office in the first fucking place. Get the fuck out of here with your standard political opposition speak.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

How any U.S. military officer (not the Nazi ice assfucks) could look and think taking a military order for him is in the best interest of their country is a good idea is beyond me.

The guy says whatever comes out of his mind and changes it minutely after who ever he’s talked to.

I guess distraction from his life as a snuff film producer is high on the list right now.

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Racism and entitlement. All you need.

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