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[–] mvirts@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago

And just like that gold is a proof of work currency. Too bad those economics will change as gold becomes less scarce. Buy mercury now!

[–] princess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 20 hours ago
[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You can't spell "demonstrations" without "demon" (or "monstra").

[–] Dippy@beehaw.org 2 points 22 hours ago

I had a d&d one shot character named daemos monstra, he was an edge lord celestial warlock with a little unicorn familiar

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Demon I think comes from the Latin meaning "Show" and "money" also comes from "demonstra" to "show or represent value,from in terms of the hellish entity comes from "Demonic spirits" as in "the ones who show themselves, as opposed to the spirits that don't show themselves. "Monster" comes from monstra, which is from demonstra, a monster is a specific spirit that shows itself.

[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago (4 children)

arxiv.org: a pre-print source, this is not peer-reviewed yet. So, until other papers refer to this paper, it has low significance in the literature. The paper has references to other papers and to previous corpus of knowledge on the subject, which is good. However, this paper is based on simulations only.

Crucially, the scheme identified here does not negatively impact electricity production, and is also compatible with the challenging tritium breeding requirements of fusion power plant design because (n, 2n) reactions of 198Hg drive both transmutation and neutron multiplication

Monte Carlo transport calculations show that neutrons produced in a tokamak power plant can convert the abundant isotope 198Hg to stable 197Au via the (n,2n) channel, yielding several tonnes of gold per plant-year without compromising the tritium breeding ratio.

The decommissioned blanket material would increase in value, and the Mercury-198 in the blanket doesn't majorly impact its effectiveness in transmuting lithium to tritium.

The "worst" gold isotope half-life is less than a year, so only a modest cool-down is needed for the output:

197Au to be Class 7 when activity concentration is > 2700 pCi/g, which is reached after 13.7 years for the initial concentration listed.

An even more stringent constraint can be applied for any gold that will be regularly handled by the general population. As a highly conservative requirement, we can stipulate that this gold must be less radioactive than a banana. Due to 40K content, bananas have an activity of ∼ 3520 pCi/kg, or about 420 pCi for a single banana. To meet this requirement, a troy ounce of gold with the initial isotope mix shown in Table 2 must sit for about 17.7 years to be below a banana equivalent level of activity.

What strikes me here with this paper is the suggested liquid blanket, so this would be a kin of D-T Fusion MSR. We now have two proposed technologies behind being able handle hot radioactive liquids.

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 day ago

must sit for about 17.7 years to be below a banana equivalent level of activity.

Banana for scale!

[–] some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I understood some of those words. Nevertheless, thanks for providing some crucial context.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The safe level isn't that important, because the gold can be put into an ETF investment vehicle, which is a substantial enough demand for gold. National reserves (the vast majority of gold demand) too are long term holders.

2t/GWhth is a huge amount. While the best case economics for fusion is 30c/kwh cost = $3m/Gwhe, that would be 3GWhth = 6T of gold. Even at $45/oz (1/100th of current value) that would be $8m/Gwhe revenue, and would likely be able to sell electricity at market rates as the "waste product", or not even bother with the expense/complexity of electricity generation.

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[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

It also helps that we're talking about rather dense nuclei too. So it's not just a neutron absorbing blanket, but a rather high-performing one at that. Which you need to convert fusion outputs to heat and power anyway. And gold is soluble in mercury anyway, so extraction is already a known (albeit incredibly dangerous) process. Win-win.

yielding several tonnes of gold per plant-year

Mother of god that's a lot to magic-up outta nowhere. At first I thought this would disrupt the market, but it looks like yearly global gold production is around 3000 tons a year. So it would take a lot of reactors to impact the gold market, so... yeah. Reactors really could start paying for themselves.

[–] ulterno@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

Reactors really could start paying for themselves.

Yeah, that should help them with their capital, storage costs and Hg procurement costs.
Now back to the energy generation...

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Coward didn't even call it alchemy in the abstract

[–] Silic0n_Alph4@lemmy.world 174 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Infinite energy for all is cancelled.

Infinite wealth for the shareholders will go ahead instead.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 52 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Infinite gold would be useful for electronics, but it would destroy gold's utility as a long-term store of value. So the wealth for shareholders would be finite, taken from today's gold holders.

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[–] N0t_5ure@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“If," ["the management consultant"] said tersely, “we could for a moment move on to the subject of fiscal policy. . .” “Fiscal policy!" whooped Ford Prefect. “Fiscal policy!" The management consultant gave him a look that only a lungfish could have copied. “Fiscal policy. . .” he repeated, “that is what I said.” “How can you have money,” demanded Ford, “if none of you actually produces anything? It doesn't grow on trees you know.” “If you would allow me to continue.. .” Ford nodded dejectedly. “Thank you. Since we decided a few weeks ago to adopt the leaf as legal tender, we have, of course, all become immensely rich.” Ford stared in disbelief at the crowd who were murmuring appreciatively at this and greedily fingering the wads of leaves with which their track suits were stuffed. “But we have also,” continued the management consultant, “run into a small inflation problem on account of the high level of leaf availability, which means that, I gather, the current going rate has something like three deciduous forests buying one ship’s peanut." Murmurs of alarm came from the crowd. The management consultant waved them down. “So in order to obviate this problem,” he continued, “and effectively revalue the leaf, we are about to embark on a massive defoliation campaign, and. . .er, burn down all the forests. I think you'll all agree that's a sensible move under the circumstances." The crowd seemed a little uncertain about this for a second or two until someone pointed out how much this would increase the value of the leaves in their pockets whereupon they let out whoops of delight and gave the management consultant a standing ovation. The accountants among them looked forward to a profitable autumn aloft and it got an appreciative round from the crowd.”

― Douglas Adams, The Restaurant at the End of the Universe

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[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As soon as they figure out how to turn lead into porn, we'll be driving personal fusion powered space cars to mars.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sell lead to a scrapyard, buy porn with the proceeds.

[–] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I'm choosing to believe their autocorrect turned gold into porn and I can't stop chuckling

led -> gold -> buys computer -> internet -> porn

[–] 42beansinapod@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I thought they were going to make helium since it is non-renewable and humans are using it at an unsustainable rate.

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

No, silly, we'll make infinite gold and use that to purchase infinite helium.

Foolproof!

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Can we not spam neutrons at hydrogen?

There's a lot of hydrogen.

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[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

nuclear physics is just modern alchemy

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[–] gil2455526@lemmy.eco.br 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't the plan to use the neutrons generated by D-T fusion to generate more tritium because it is very rare on Earth? Didn't they even not have enough neutrons to generate enough tritium for self sustaining fueling of fusion that the current plan is to use a beryllium blanket to multiply the neutron flux? Where would the extra neutrons for gold transmutation even come from? Waste from the tritium breeding?

[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 2 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It looks that way.

Monte Carlo transport calculations show that neutrons produced in a tokamak power plant can convert the abundant isotope 198Hg to stable 197Au via the (n,2n) channel, yielding several tonnes of gold per plant-year without compromising the tritium breeding ratio.

[–] gil2455526@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 20 hours ago

Ah, so instead of beryllium using mercury as the neutron flux multiplier with the added benefit of turning it into gold. Neat.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I feel like this is one of those things governments might get paranoid about because their treasuries are based on a high (constantly increasing increasing due to limited amount) value of gold. Imagine one country figuring out how to produce gold and then every other treasury starts losing it's value.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I wonder what the next "ground currency" will be once we can replicate everything at the atomic level. I'm hoping it's human trust

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] mitchty@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 11 hours ago

There’s nothing in these bars but worthless gold!

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 75 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'd really love to travel back in time and first amaze an alchemist that their future colleagues will be able to turn lead into gold. Only to crush them again by explaining that the process is too expensive.

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