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[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Canadians don't ask questions either. They just make statements, and then add "eh" to the end of the sentence.

Canadians and apes have a lot in common, is what this article is telling me.

[–] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] MycelialMass@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

Oh ya, everyday lol

[–] definitemaybe@lemmy.ca 5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I mean, it sort of is, but only for the specific question of asking for agreement with the preceding statement.

"This weather, eh?"
"The Leafs actually have a chance this year, eh?"

But not like "What's your favourite colour, eh?" (Unless, maybe, it's in the context where it's obvious, like someone decked out head-to-toe in pink.)

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 10 hours ago

Haha yeah I always thought it was like the Japanese or Portuguese "Ne?" , or British "In'nit?"

It's like a statement followed by a "You agree too, right?" Lol

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

A Canadian friend told Americans do the same thing, we just put our word at the beginning.

"Hey, get off my car!" "Get off my car, eh!"

Not sure if he was being serious though.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 57 points 1 day ago

Scientists speculate that this is why no ape has ever been on Jeopardy.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 143 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (13 children)

The entire study of great apes and sign language has been based on flawed methodology and subjective and biased interpretation of very small data sets.

Its interesting that apes can recollect abstract symbols. It's even kind of interesting that they can to some extent recollect hand gestures. But it is nothing more than symbolic association at its absolute best. Calling it language is a fundamental misrepresentation of what is taking place. Apes already possess several kinds of 'language' comparable to symbolic association, stuff like emotive language and body language and expressive language. There is no substantive evidence that they are capable of understanding and using an abstract language.

What has largely happened in so called 'studies' on 'sign language' in great apes, has been a lot of animal abuse and fundraising for animal abuse predicated on vague notions of how inspiring the idea of talking apes is. They can't talk. They are nonetheless very interesting creatures and we should be fascinated by them even without them having the ability to speak human language.

The really frustrating part is that they shouldn't have to speak with us for us to feel compassion towards them. The really disgusting part is that wild animals were being abducted from the wild and raised in deplorable conditions while essentially being tormented by disgraced researchers trying to prove that they could talk. They're very well suited to their natural environment (which we are destroying) and are not meant to live lives in concrete cages on the other side of the world being prodded and clicker trained to make vague hand motions. It's just animal cruelty under the guise of scientific research.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

This reminds me of an excerpt in David Graeber's "Bullshit Jobs", where he quotes a sailor from like, the East India Company or something.

Something along the lines of "Many suspect the monkeys of the island can speak, but wisely choose not to, knowing they would be taught English and put to work."

[–] kazerniel@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

Tangentially related: the fucked-up experiments they were doing on dolphins, like giving them LSD or keeping one in a flooded, human-style house and trying to teach it English: The dolphin who loved me: the Nasa-funded project that went wrong | The Guardian

content warning:

spoilerit involves a caretaker routinely jerking off the dolphin she lived with, then the project got shut down, and the dolphin was kept in so bad circumstances that it committed suicide after a few weeks

[–] plyth@feddit.org 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

and are not meant to live lives in concrete cages

Neither are we. It must be the language that makes it bearable.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

You misspelled drugs, tv, and orgasms.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 2 points 10 hours ago

Young people that have well less drugs and orgasms, and there's a whole lot more concrete. What does this mean?

[–] bunchberry@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're wrong. I'm a great ape and I can understand abstract language.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You big, hairy ape! Look at you over here, with your big brain and your big ass. So much abstract thinking, and you ain't even got a prehensile tail!

[–] stray@pawb.social 9 points 1 day ago

You might like the novel We Are All Completely Beside Ourselves by Karen Joy Fowler. I personally prefer to go into books without knowing much about them, so I will put the premise in a spoiler tag:

the premiseIt's about a woman who was raised from birth with a chimpanzee as her twin sister, as she tries to figure out why her sister suddenly disappeared from her life when they were young, and where she is now.

It has a fairly comic tone, which is very welcome given all the trauma.

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[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 194 points 1 day ago (10 children)

The argument that apes have never asked a question "is a classic example of overstatement," said Heidi Lyn, a professor at the University of South Alabama's Comparative Cognition and Communication Lab at the Department of Psychology and Marine Science.

"There is plenty of evidence of apes asking questions, although the structure may not look exactly like humans asking questions," Lyn explained.

https://www.snopes.com/articles/467842/apes-questions-communicate/

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 106 points 1 day ago (28 children)

If a chimpanzee looks its handler in the eyes and points to a banana, it may be interpreted that the ape is asking to have the banana. This, Hobaiter said, shows apes are capable of asking questions.

Obviously not in the spirit of the question. No curiosity, no attempt to learn about what's going on around them. The article has no examples of real questions, so to me I'd say the meme rings true.

[–] yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 79 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (12 children)

Yeah, when my cat meows, it is “asking” for snacks. But it’s not inquiring about snacks, or curious about where the snacks come from or why cats enjoy snacking so much.

Granted, many humans don’t ask such questions either, but that’s because intellectual acuity is on a spectrum also occupied by non-human animals, at least in the realm of being an incurious dumbass.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My cat has asked where my wife is. She has a very specific meow for each of us that she uses when she's looking for us. One day while my wife was at work, cat meowed for my wife. Told the cat she'd be home on a couple hours. Cat curled up by the window, satisfied. Next time it happened, I teased her and tried to play with her. She kept wandering around the house looking for my wife until I told her she was at work. Smart little bastard.

[–] krooklochurm@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Your cat's breath smells like cat food.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 9 hours ago

There's your "Loading screen game tip" for today lol.

[–] fascicle@leminal.space 41 points 1 day ago

How do you know your cat isnt curious, is it survival bias. All the curious cats died

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[–] exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

asking to have the banana

Yeah that's just a quirk of the English language in that "ask" means both inquiring, trying to learn information from a response, and request, a communication to another that the "asker" wants something.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 1 day ago

Yeah, the moment I read that, I thought it sounded like bullshit. I doubt there's a database of every sign language interaction with apes that proves that no ape has ever asked a question.

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[–] Fleur_@aussie.zone 17 points 1 day ago

Well I ain't never asked a gorilla nothin neither

[–] rustyfish@piefed.world 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Imagine a fucking gorilla turning to the scientist and ask:

Does this unit have a soul?

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Good. They will never question how we treat them. Then they can't rise up and kill us all.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Robin Williams had Coco ask if he would lift his shirt for her. And then she grabbed his nipples.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago

She probably thought he was another gorilla. He was one hairy mf

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (17 children)

Is this true? I was listening to a lecture of I think it was a linguist on apes using sign language, saying that the evidence for them actually understanding language is... not great. Like it appear they just sign until their carers gets the right/expected answer. That they may want to say 'apple', but not finding the word, they can't describe the shape, color, just random words util they hit the correct one, or something like that.

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