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Eh. This depends on the job being done. In my field of work the only thing that matters is that you get the job done. What office hours you keep are not very important. On the other hand, my friend works shift work where he has to replace someone directing a process (think air traffic control). Being 10 minutes late is a dick move because you are forcing the person you are replacing to stay longer at the end of a shift.
Then shifts should have an overlap.
I know they don't and won't, but there's no good reason not to do it, except that the company would make a bit less money.
Depends on how things are run. My wife works at the hospital and works 12 hour shifts, rotating days and nights. You’re expected to show up 15 mins early so the previous shift can hand off their patients to you.
I’m not sure how you’d do 12 hour shifts with overlap unless the overlap was considerable or shift times were all over the place. The hospital here gets a certain budget and it makes sense to have it running as optimal and efficient as possible. You also get paid from punch in to punch out so coming in early gets you paid more. Realistically her shifts are 12 hours 15 mins.
But then your wife should be scheduled and paid for 12.25 hour shifts.
She gets paid for it, it’s just not on the schedule. There’s no unpaid labour at her work.
By listing a schedule starting at one time, but expecting the actual start to be earlier they're communicating an inaccurate schedule.
Could you imagine prescribing one dose but expecting another? Billing one amount but expecting a premium on top of that?
Yeah I dont think 12 hours is feasible, anyway.
By hour 10, are people really working with the same level of care as when they started?
In healthcare that's a much bigger concern than some middle-manager in a corporate office.
Three 8:15 hour shifts, instead of two 12:15 hour shifts. Seems much more reasonable, adds 15 minutes total to work time.
In theory, more medical errors happen from bad transfer of care than from fatigued caregivers, so that's why they go for longer, fewer shifts.
Or so they say. I'm not sure I believe it.
Betty can show up ‘on time’ and spend 40 min making coffee and shit talking with her neighbors, but I show up 10 min late and start working right away but I’m the bad employee somehow.
Ive come to learn that employers are not paying you for your labor but for your time. They care more about your availability than how much you actually work. It is also why how hard you work never factors into how much you get paid.
You never get a raise (above inflation) by doing your current work "better" or "harder". You get a raise by changing roles completely or adding on responsibilities that expressly is worth some extra pay. Or changing company.
But as an employee, I've come to realize that I don't value my pay as what I do, but how much time per day I dedicate towards my work. Time is all we have, really.
Ive come to learn that employers are not paying you for your labor but for your time.
Commuting time should be salaried.
Because depending on the company you're for a large part not paid for productivity but for presenteeism.
I can see it mattering if it's shift work and someone else has to stay late. If it's office work? Nah. Doesn't matter.
Stay late 10 minutes: that's as good as leaving on time. I can't be expected to pay you more.
Arrive 10 minutes late: how could you? 10 minutes of my time is an eternity!
Keep pretending to pay a fair wage and I'll pretend to give a shit about being on time.
Like most statements about work, it really depends on the job.
For shift work without overlapping shifts, being late keeps someone else on duty after their shift is up.
But if you're working an office gig and your work is getting done, it's fine. There's a reason I don't schedule any meetings within an hour of the start or end of the day.
Really depends what you are 10 minutes late for. A meeting with other participants, ok if your role is to sit and listen. Not OK if people are waiting for you to start. It's not OK to be late to relieve a co worker either
You ever ran late to a college class because you had to stay longer than scheduled at your shitty retail job to cover your perpetually late coworker who was supposed to relieve you?
Sometimes running 10 minutes late is no big deal, but sometimes it is. It becomes a problem the moment it causes someone else problems.
10 mins late to an office job where they get their 10m back, AOK.
10 mins late to cashier/sales gig where you're relieving someone else, not great.
10 mins late to a meeting is bad
10 mins late to class is bad.
If you have a meeting first thing, don't.
If I have a meeting first thing in the morning that’s when I’ll get there. Even if it’s at 10.
I never manage to absorb anything in a pre-0900 meeting. That first chunk of the day is for me to catch up on all the shit that happened since I was last there (personal opinion).
So many well-intentioned posts in here are licking the boot. Traffic happens. IBS happens. Children emergencies happen. The company should shoulder the cost of contingencies to account for natural human fluctuation. If the job is mission critical, why are you demanding humans be robots?
Exceptions are ok. But what if someone is 10 minutes late every single time?
Do they minder if i stay longer? No? Then why complain when I'm late?
Its about the whole picture, am I always late? Is my work done on time and well executed ?
If so... WHO CARES ABOUT THE TIME OR PLACE I DO THAT WORK IN????
If it's shift work and someone is waiting on you then arrive so they can go home or start to work and a team its a big deal cause you're wasting someone elses time.
It definitely depends on the job. I work in TV and live events. If your late you either miss the pre production meeting, or we all have to wait for you to start. If your later than that you are holding the team up and making people work harder to be ready by on-air time.
I recently did an essay on intergenerational work ethics for uni this semester. Basically, every generation except for Boomers don't care about being on time when compared to giving quality output.
I have worked jobs that would dock you 15 minutes if you clocked in even 1 minute late, as a result everyone was always 15 minutes late. If you aren't getting paid then you shouldn't be working either. It's stupid policies that lead to this sort of thing, don't blame the employees for the dumb shit admin does.
My job doesn't care if I'm late, and my productivity has not changed
Depending on the work, I disagree.
I work on a hangar deck supervising aircraft maintenance. At each shift change, all toolboxes are inventoried and all tools are accounted for. If people regularly show up late, either the few who do show up on time are always responsible for doing the tool inventories (or any other shift change items) or the previous shift ends up having to stay later, which is just disrespectful to them and their time.
Where my wife works, the clinic opens at 8 and the shift starts at 8 for all but the opener, so if her coworkers don't show up at 8, she's having to manage the patients by herself. On occasion for special circumstances, that's understandable. But as a general "meh, 10 minutes late is just as good," definitely not.
Basically, if tasks are expected to be done specifically at the beginning of your shift, being late is unacceptable.
I've done jobs where I was legally not allowed to leave people unsupervised, so if my relief was late, I couldn't go home. I feel like that's also an exception to the 'late is fine' rule.
Honestly, if I get the job done and do it to spec, managers can shut the fuck up.
Bosses seem to think being on time means being 15 minutes early.
Thoses bosses can go right to hell. You want me working 15 minutes early, you better begin paying me 15 minutes early. I'm not your friend. We have a transaction going between us; I provide specific work between a specific period of time, and you give me money.
A boss making you clock in early is f’d up. Being a little early to clock in on time is fine. I’m not working for free, though.
I uses to do help desk; I showed up 15 minutes to have my cups of coffee as I browsed on my phone. End users complained that they saw me not doing anything/assisting them as I was off the clock.
Boss told me to knock it off and work. So I ended up showing 15-30 minutes early to work and clock in that sweet extra time. Near the end of my employment, boss complained to me that I been racking in too much overtime.
Make it make sense.
Mid-millenial, elder millennial for a boss. Start time within half an hour of listed time is accepted practice. Things get done on time, nobody complains about staying ten or fifteen extra to properly wrap up a task. It's very refreshing after years of the boomer song and dance.
Is this post serious or just making shit up? Ive never heard anyone claim that 10 minutes late is on time. Late and on time are mutually exclusive words. Whether your work punishes it or not is a different question, im permitted to be 5 minutes late and it counts as on time for example.
This seems more like a post designed to piss people off and make them fight over a position noone had before reading it.
There is nothing that can happen at my job that, if not done quickly, will have a real negative impact on a human being. This does not stop my coworkers from acting like the sky is falling if something is delayed by a few days.
It is, lmao
The same amount of work gets done
But if we accept that explanation, then we also have to accept that people don't work the majority of their workday
A lot of work is just being available or waiting for next steps without losing track and focus.
I wasn't going to do anything productive in that first 10 minutes anyway, so...
I just have unmedicated adhd and poor time management, i'm 10 minutes late for everything, i'll be late to my own funeral, I'm a millenial or whatever
Depends on what your job is, if it's shift based timing is an issue. 9-5? As long as everything gets done and people xan reach you who gives a fuck
