Charlie Kirk would have called Jesus a communist.
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Then crucified him and blame the Muslims...
Ironically enough, this shows how Kirk was actually at least somewhat better than most of the right wing pundits.
He would actually allow others to have the mic. He actually lets the dude speak. If not for that, you couldn't have a video of him being made to look the fool.
Most of them will refuse to interact, shouting down questions, trying to cut off counterpoints, only interacting via one-way streams and speeches. Generally cowardly refusing to vaguely risk a difficult talking point arise.
He said vile things, but he at least let others speak. And now the right wing is on a crusade to try to suppress any voice that would have stood against, rather than letting them speak.
Though this is hilariously funny, this is the list basic argument against just about any religion, the cherry picking, and I'm still waiting for a fucking answer. Why doesn't Charlie burn himself to death? I mean, I can imagine that that hole in his neck makes that hard to do for him right now, but why doesn't he? Why doesn't every Christian out there burn and stone themselves to death for their continuous sinning?
Or if not, you know, admit that they're plain wrong about their entire view on life?
I didn't know I could watch the same piece of shit get murdered twice, but here we are.
Cremated, even
Still missing the point that he is free to read and believe anything he likes, but a book of ancient mythology shouldn't have any influence at all in developing 21st century social/political policy.
Ultimately, that is going to be the final outcome of his argument - either follow ALL the Bible's demands, or follow none of them - but that's too many steps for MAGAs. The answer is simple: It's in the 1st Amendment. If they want to know more, they can go get a real education. It's time to stop coddling these ignorant traitors.
That "if a man sleeps with another man and they shall be stoned" (not a native English) verse is wrongly translated iirc. In old Hebrew there is a word that specifically means "man who is not yet an adult" - and back then you were an adult with 14 I think.
It was never about being gay is sinful, it was about molesting children being a sin.
It was never about being gay is sinful, it was about molesting children being a sin.
Yeah, but no republican wants to hear that their favorite activity is a sin.
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molesting children is a sin
Nowadays that's a prerequisite if you want to be a republican politician.
Well hell, they don't like that rule at all
Right? No wonder they all make it about The Gays.
Similarly a lot of the stuff about sodomy was about rape. Regardless I don't think we should use religious texts as the basis for morals.
Reminds me of a scene from one of my favourite west wing episodes:
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Stop stop, he's already de- oh wait.
Sorry is this how he died… I just got out of my rock..
basically. Someone was showing him that trans people are basically underrepresented in mass shootings, while Kirk et al claim the opposite; and his last words were "counting or not counting gang violence" which is a racist dogwhistle.
And then, (and this is unverified but it appears to be true) a member of a rival white mayonnaise gang capped his ass in broad daylight.
Edit IM LEAVING IT IT'S FUNNIER THAN THE TRUTH AND ALSO A LITTLE TRUE
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Pretty obvious Kirk has no education since high school. He flunked out of Harper after one semester.
Had no education...*
You're doing it wrong. You are supposed to cut and publish only parts where Kirk owns the libs
editing videos like that is the equivalent to winning arguments in the shower
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The extensive attention to curation, editing, and deleting was the whole point of the manufactured reality being pushed.
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Charlie Kirk never liked free speech
So what is the response? I feel like these clips are great. But if he makes a great point after, isn't it setting a trap where you share this and the response is his rebuttal which could be good or bad
His response, and I’m not joking, when all of his arguments against gay marriage were defeated in that debate, was, “well, I still don’t like it.”
Yea I just watched the whole thing. One of my favorite things I've heard recently is people arguing if Charlie was a good debater or not.
One person just said "did he ever once change his mind?" There isn't one time in the past decade he has changed his mind. Charlie was not debating.
What pisses me off is how their wasn't an effort to collect material for times like this for us to repost. Sure there's content but everybody on the left checks out and doesn't bother to archive anything worthwhile. I think that hurts us in the end
Charlie was not doing debates. He was a propagandist. What he did was performing in the shape of a debate, in front of an audience to spread his agenda, and he was very good at that. If you scrutinize his "debates" in terms of logic soundness or other things good arguments would have, they don't stand a chance. But that was not the point, nor would it matter.
I think his debates were actually very well done. It's just that debates are not a good format to find truth. Charlie was one of the best at debates. Saying all that, we all should be better at being on other platforms and sniping these clips to highlight the hypocrisy and bullshit. I'm absolutely convinced that right wing groups convinced all of us to abandon all other social media so they can spread their ideas easier
Depends on what you think debate is, I guess. After posting my comment I did realize people probably conceptualise "debate" differently. If you think debate is just a form of performance to influence people's ideas, then sure. But if you think debate should be a form of intellectual conversation, a collaboration between two disagreeing parties in order to find truth, then what Charlie is doing couldn't be further from that.
It's both. But the techniques Charlie used were excellent. Debate should be done in good faith. He wasn't debating in good faith. But the skills he had to still do what he did was phenomenal. I have no issue with his ability to use debate strategies. We could all learn something from watching him.
As the other person said he ends up saying he still doesn't like it but there is still a challenge. The reason Charlie says it's reaffirmed in Mathew about the gays is because everything the student brings up is the old testament and Jesus already died to erase those sins. Bringing up Leviticus trying to make a point doesn't work if you believe in the new testament.
Good thing Charles set the trap himself by saying morality is objective and unchanging. That must either mean God commanded things that were not moral (which is against their worldview), or that burning women, killing disobedient children, taking people as slaves for life, and stoning people for working on the Sabbath are morally permissible.
It's usually impossible for them to concede God did anything wrong, so they have to justify numerous atrocities.
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Ha ha!
“I love uneducated people”
What was the rebuttal?
I'm going to stick my neck out and say it was something stupid and ignorant.
Careful, kirk warned us about sticking our necks out
He really gushed on about it
Poured his heart out, he did.
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watched the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZPWbpOnZ-8
Kirk actually has a good point in that those lines are from the old testament, which Christians believe doesn't apply, and only believe in the new testament. Assuming Kirk is right that it isn't in the new testament ( the Cambridge speaker doesn't contest it either, for whatever that is worth). From the the student then pivots to talking about a new testament description along the lines of: Man shall not sleep with man, which he says can be interpreted differently than man and man and could be man and prostitute. Kirk contends that the traditions and interpretations were created during the time that the writings were created, and so there is no loss of translation then, and those understandings have been passed down until down consistently. I will say, i've summised this, but it is a lot more of a meandering argument afterwards that is not very interesting to watch.
I feel like the cambridge student shouldn't have even brought up the lines in videos above because it doesn't completely apply to Kirk's religious beliefs. The student studied the bible decently enough to make his point, but it seemed he needed additional context of Kirk's beliefs to make a strong point against Kirk.
those understandings have been passed down until down consistently.
[x] Doubt
he actually didn’t dodge anything, nor did he make a good point.
he stated that morals and right and wrong are immutable/unchanging.
so Charlie is now trapped to make a choice,
A. he’s wrong and morality is dependent on the situation, and so his whole platform regarding how he treats minorities has no justification.
B. he’s wrong and his god purposely demanded atrocities, and was wrong in the past, and is fallible, in which case his whole platform can’t be considered moral based on the teachings of his god.
so his answer is he still didn’t like it, which is him admitting defeat but refusing to decide in which way he believes his god is wrong
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