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I keep finding clips of him on twitter and the man was absolutely vile; I never watched his stuff before, watching it now I see he really was a hateful piece of trash.

I'm not shedding a tear over someone taking out the trash.

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[–] dead@hexbear.net 122 points 3 days ago (2 children)

His whole debate schtick was fake. All of media is saying that he encouraged discussion or welcomed people to politics, none of which is true. Charlie manufactured scenarios where he could bully unprepared people to promote far right propaganda.

He sits in a booth with a microphone to present himself as the expert, giving him advantage in the conversation. He chooses unprepared college students from campus who are between classes. Then if someone proves that he's wrong, he just won't upload the video. There was no real debates.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

"Media bias" has been a marketing strategy for Fox news for a while now, but it is especially grating to see all the hogs whinging about how he was a victim of unfair reporting in light of his own tactics.

[–] AF_R@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

The weirdest part is how the majority of people look at his debates, watch the whole thing, and conclude Kirk won.

Like, literally the second last thing he said was “too many” in response to how many trans mass shooters there were? How is that an acceptable response in a scholarly debate?

[–] GiorgioBoymoder@hexbear.net 90 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yeah he was a real POS.

there's a reason we had instant proven-wrong-1 proven-wrong-2

[–] Nopeace@hexbear.net 62 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I absolutely love we got this guy as an emoji lmfaoooooo hahahahahahaha

[–] PurrLure@hexbear.net 83 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I dunno, I think Charlie Kirk is a changed man.

After all, he hasn't said anything repulsive in a week! sans-doot

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[–] Rom@hexbear.net 83 points 3 days ago

Yeah the dude hated black people, thought the Civil Rights Act was a mistake and that black people were better off under slavery. He also was a major source of the anti-vaxx bullshit. He was such a vile human being, 100% deserved what he got.

[–] Crikeste@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago (4 children)

There’s a fuckin reason his blown out neck is the back ground of my phone: It’s a beautiful sight when Nazis die. Brings a smile to my face every time.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

absolute respect for your complete unwillingness to pretend normalcy

i'm not joking, that's awesome

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

this is still really dark even if he was a bad dude who you don't feel bad for

[–] Crikeste@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’ve had to watch Palestinian children get blasted to pieces for almost 2 years now. Yes, America is a dark and violent country, and FOR ONCE, that violence came home, not to some other child like it usually does, but to someone who was perpetuating that very killing of children, in both instances. Someone who DESERVED it.

Sorry if my celebration is distasteful to you, but any empathy you have toward the situation is distasteful to me.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

Honestly watching him argue so vehemently in defense of the genocide, and to mock the suffering people, I have zero pity for him and no empathy for his wife who chose him and wants to continue his legacy.

Ive said it before and I'll say it again: racism is weaponized childishness. The man insisted on behaving like a hateful manchild, and people needed support, not this manchild running cover for their hardship and misery.

Zero pity for him, moreso for the worms feasting on him and getting a crap meal.

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[–] nfreak@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 days ago

holy fuck lmfao that's awesome

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 57 points 3 days ago

The wild whiplash from him openly saying black women were subhuman to CNN bemoaning his death...with black woman anchors. I know libs are shameless but my god.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It really sucks that that asshole got so much publicity from being luigi-dance'd. He wasn't even close to the top of the chud debatelord totem pole, but now people worldwide are supposed to know him and weep over his death.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Wasn't here up there? Who's a more influential fash propagandist? Tucker fell off.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I assumed Shapiro was more popular, definitely see him brought up more online.

Crowder was up there at one point, but lol, that guy fell off almost as hard as Kirk.

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

afaik Shapiro's views have fallen off a cliff compared to what he was a few years ago

[–] sourquincelog@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago

Seems like shapiro-poplar realized he can do more harm from behind the camera, as a producer

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 53 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He also just wasn’t even that good of a debater. I’ll never understand why people are so stoked about this guy.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 3 days ago

Because he yelled at those they thought were uppity, like women and black people, in places they were afraid to go to (ie college campuses)

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Tbf he had to argue demonstrably wrong and morally repugnant positions.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah but Ben Shapiro does that all the time and doesnt fail as hard as Kirk. Even crowder was arguably better at what he was doing. And they’re all parroting the same shit pile talking points.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

Ben Shapiro's gimmick is talking really fast so you can't understand wtf he's trying to say, and if you ever ask a clarifying question or try to untangle his word salad he moves on and pretends that means he "won"

Which granted is a more effective strategy than Charlie Kirk's, but it's not particularly advanced

[–] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 47 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I’m convinced this is all just white evangelicals who have had a massive persecution fetish finally being allowed to cum over it. This is what they have been longing for for my entire life: getting to pretend one of their own was martyred for his faith.

I don’t want to link to it, but check out the music video for “I Pledge Allegiance to the Lamb”, the last part especially, to get an idea of what I’m talking about. I remember putting on a play in church to that song where all us Christians were being arrested for our faith. After all these years they finally have their release 💦

Edit: fun fact, Ray Boltz (who sung the song I mentioned above) came out as gay later in life, and I think mellowed out a lot but not sure.

[–] pinkapple@lemmy.ml 43 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's definitely going to be a good piece tracking his history sooner or later but he wasn't just some random far right streamer. He popped up basically out of nowhere in 2012 when he was 18, had donors that helped him fund TPUSA. I faintly remember that he had some vague association with the Tea Party and it was primarily libertarians spamming quotes of him, very astroturfed popularity. I'm not entirely sure but he may have been the first one doing this debate libs, trigger libs then post the vid grift and Shapiro followed as another "conservative youth".

It's nuts to say this but I suspect that this was a GOP strategy to get young voters after Ron Paul accidentally became a meme on 4chan and gained some half-ironic following there. Kirk, Shapiro etc were basically provocateurs for hire with extreme positions but their views shifted depending on who was funding them. Part of the Koch Bros online agitator ecosystem. He wasn't religious until much later when he had an "awakening" and I think he didn't support Trump at first either.

ToiletpaperUSA on reddit has good stuff on his history. These people including Crowder, Molyneux etc were fringe shockjocks for pay and floated to the surface during the gamergate and Trump's 2016 campaign. It's hard to believe they got to be GOP media frontliners and so prominent that one would get assassinated like that because they all started as an intentionally extreme opposition to radlib woke SJWs etc and nobody took them very seriously.

If anyone tracks or remembers the rhetoric strategies of the Trump and Clinton campaigns back in 2016 and sees how initially fringe debate assholes like Charlie Kirk were positioned then the whole republican to fascist groupshift will become far more clear. Wild that it took less than a decade. I don't think this trend will decline post Trump.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Shapiro predates Kirk by almost a decade and is the true inventor of the genre. He was funded directly by republican donors (I forget which) whereas Kirk was in-house brand GOP.

I think Molyneux and Crowder also predate Kirk but by less.

[–] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The tragedy isn't that charlie kirk was killed. The tragedy is that it took this long for his bigotry to be silenced.

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[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 50 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is this bullshit seriously still in the news cycle? Has to be on the top of the most manufactured news stories I swear to god

[–] XxFemboy_Stalin_420_69xX@hexbear.net 50 points 3 days ago (1 children)

he had not a single redeeming quality. good riddance

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

He had the option to be the perfect Youtube makeup tutorial model, but he squandered it.

[–] JohnBrownsBawdy@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Remember: for a healthy democracy, it is important for those that hold views like his to be loved, lionized, and be given massive media exposure. It is very harmful to a democracy for anyone to mock or be critical of such a person or that person’s views.

[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago

I don't know, you sound kinda sarcastic. I think we should take away your free speech just in case.

[–] Umechan@hexbear.net 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

yOu'Re TaKiNg HiM oUt Of CoNtExT!

[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 67 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No, it was someone else who took him out of the context.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 64 points 3 days ago (2 children)

He no longer exists in the context of all that came before

[–] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 60 points 3 days ago

contextphobic unburdened by what has been

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 42 points 3 days ago

His jugular vein has fallen out of the coconut tree.

[–] ComradePedro@lemmy.ml 44 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Rom@hexbear.net 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

edit: no wait I found a better one

[–] VibeCoder@hexbear.net 18 points 3 days ago

I would regularly see actual video of him and be like, “what the hell is this one of those small head edits?”

[–] Orcocracy@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)
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