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[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 359 points 1 week ago (7 children)

In a written decision, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.

“While the defendant was clearly expressing an animus toward UHC, and the health care industry generally, it does not follow that his goal was to ‘intimidate and coerce a civilian population,’ and indeed, there was no evidence presented of such a goal,” Carro wrote.

Hope the rest of the trial goes with as much sense as this

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 180 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's huge. That was a big charge and the prosecutors really wanted it.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 89 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Hell yes. Now the guy just has to keep them from proving he did it. Honestly feels doable

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 71 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I for one was marathoning Mario Party with him that morning. All the best people are saying it!

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 25 points 1 week ago

That's a great idea. Mario Kart drive me to freedom

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean it's super super tenuous that he did it in the first place. Again they ethier got him through illegal means or just framed a guy and both feel equally likely in this case with how hard the prosecution keeps dropping the ball.

It's been fishy from the start.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I understand why they tried to throw those charges in, but I don’t like the inconsistency of doing so.

I agree this is a sensible outcome.

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[–] boheme@quokk.au 38 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The emphasis on "intimidate and coerce a civilian population" is interesting. Seems to imply billionaires are not considered part of the civilian population. As they shouldn't be.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

That is not how I read it. If he had shot and left a note saying "fuck billionaires" or "fuck CEOs" then it would be terrorism because he would be threatening them. But his problem was just this guy. It was plain murder / revenge.

The internet made him a champion of "anti billionaires" against his will

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 days ago

An even more convincing engraving would've been something like "The working class is finally coming for the billionaires. None of you are safe." or similar.

You can't intimidate a dead man.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 1 week ago

Before we go giving the legal system a pat on the back for that, that's not really what's happening. The law is written with a high level of provable intent in mind, and that's the only way it could possibly pass 1st Amendment muster. It's really, really hard to prove anyone intended to intimidate anyone.

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is it normal for judges to make comments that are worded like the defendant is guilty?

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[–] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Amen - thank you, yes!

[–] Guidy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

The only people without such animus either work for the industry or are shareholders.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 172 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I remain unconvinced they even got the right fucking guy

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 91 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If they did, I suspect they caught him via illegal methods. The story doesn’t add up.

Amongst many other oddities and inconsistencies, the evidence chain of custody was absolutely fucked six ways from Sunday

[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 week ago

They didn't get the right guy. Luigi looks nothing like the images of the shooter.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Which means the actual killer effectively got away with it. Good. I hope he lives a long and quiet life.

[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Not me, I hope we see him again soon. There's still a few thousand billionaires more than necessary.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 101 points 1 week ago

Anyone looking at the terrorism charge knew it was bullshit, but check this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/luigi-mangione-terrorism-charges-dropped

"“Counts 1 and 2, charging defendant with Murder in the First Degree (in furtherance of an act of terrorism) and Murder in the Second Degree as a Crime of Terrorism, are dismissed as legally insufficient,” Carro wrote. “The People presented legally sufficient evidence of all other counts, including Murder in the Second Degree (intentional).”"

They didn't just toss the terrorism addendum, they tossed two of the murder charges with the terrorism rider.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 92 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I believe Luigi is the killer, and he should be regarded as a hero. The slaying of Brian Thompson was a honorable and heroic act.

Killing a man who did the evil and destructive work of Healthcare CEO has literally saved the lives of hundreds or maybe even thoudands of United Health customers who would have had their lifesaving care denied.

If you are lucky enough to be chosen for jury duty, please study Jury Nullification

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 40 points 1 week ago (7 children)

And make absolutely sure that they don't suspect you will be doing jury nullification. They won't allow you to be on the jury if you do.

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[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It takes twelve to hang the accused but only one to hang the jury

[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Jury annulment is the better option here. Best option.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Acquittal is what happens when all twelve jurors vote "not guilty".

Conviction is what happens when all twelve jurors vote "guilty".

A hung jury is what happens when at least one of the jurors votes differently from the others.

Jury nullification is when the jury votes to acquit despite the obviousness of the guilt of the accused. It is not the best option. The best option is for the jury to acquit based on the fact that the evidence is honestly shit.

Though jurors are never required to disclose the reasons for their vote. Any one juror who votes "not guilty" and refuses to budge from that position despite the others voting "guilty" will cause a hung jury and prevent the accused from being convicted.

Hence, it takes twelve (unanimous agreement of all jurors) to hang the accused, and it also takes twelve to acquit them, but any single juror can choose to hang the jury by obstinately voting against the others.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I believe a CEO was murdered but I've seen zero evidence it was Luigi and all evidence points to another man of different height and build. Law enforcement and prosecution haven't even established that Luigi was even in the city, the photo used to identify him was proven to be 3 weeks olds at the time of the shooting.

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given that said "murder" resulted in countless healthcare claims being approved, chances are he saved countless lives.

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[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Free Luigi! Find the real killer!

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 42 points 1 week ago

The real killer is dead, he was the CEO

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Luigi and I were hanging out in California that morning. He's clearly being rail roaded.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In a written decision released as Mangione appeared in court, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.

Obviously...

They say killing anyone wealthy is terrorism, because they don't think fonus as real people.

They only care about wealthy bigots

[–] RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 days ago

Who is the "they" in your complaint? Seems to me like "they" charged this appropriately, i.e. not terrorism.

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The cops have totally botched this case. No piece of evidence is not tainted, and that perp walk is enough to bias any jury. He should be let free (for a myriad of reasons).

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

Lmao that helicopter perp walk with the giant sniper/assault rifle guys. Transparently obvious what they were trying to accomplish

[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Luigi did what he did in defense of all of us.

He should be freed.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago

"Allegedly did" at that.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Excellent news. Now the prosecution needs to find and convince 12 people that he did it. I'm not sure they have the evidence to do that.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I don't doubt they have evidence that irrefutably proves he's the shooter...

The issue has always been legally admissible evidence.

I think they broke a shit ton of laws to find out who did it, then failed to retroactively create a "partel investigation" that would have legally uncovered the evidence so it could be used anyway.

Like, that's pretty normal for cops. They break laws to solve a crime, make up some bullshit about how they'd have found it anyways, then overcharge to get a plea deal and avoid trial.

Luigi ain't taking a plea deal, and while they may very well know it's him, they can't prove it in court

[–] Lawyerator@lemmy.world 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I think the term is "parallel investigation" or parallel construction investigation." I don't doubt that you are correct though.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Yeah, that's just a typo.

The whole thing is bullshit tho. When you already know where you'll find evidence, it's easy to justify after the fact how you could have legally been able to search that one place.

But they can't narrow it down to that spot except by violating civil rights.

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[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

Now move on to hero charges

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago

He looks innocent to me.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

"Isn't he dreamy?" The judge is on record saying.

[–] floop@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Face that gorgeous belongs in a museum, not death row

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

And that's the ball game.

Maybe now they can start looking for the real killer.

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