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[–] Stamau123@lemmy.world 355 points 2 days ago (9 children)

In a written decision, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.

“While the defendant was clearly expressing an animus toward UHC, and the health care industry generally, it does not follow that his goal was to ‘intimidate and coerce a civilian population,’ and indeed, there was no evidence presented of such a goal,” Carro wrote.

Hope the rest of the trial goes with as much sense as this

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 177 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's huge. That was a big charge and the prosecutors really wanted it.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 88 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Hell yes. Now the guy just has to keep them from proving he did it. Honestly feels doable

[–] scintilla@crust.piefed.social 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean it's super super tenuous that he did it in the first place. Again they ethier got him through illegal means or just framed a guy and both feel equally likely in this case with how hard the prosecution keeps dropping the ball.

It's been fishy from the start.

[–] Blackfeathr@lemmy.world 70 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I for one was marathoning Mario Party with him that morning. All the best people are saying it!

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 25 points 2 days ago

That's a great idea. Mario Kart drive me to freedom

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 45 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I understand why they tried to throw those charges in, but I don’t like the inconsistency of doing so.

I agree this is a sensible outcome.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Because the Justice department is being run by headlines and idiots.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

It's good to see things simmer back down to reality after all the inflammatory politically-motivated accusations. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

[–] boheme@quokk.au 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The emphasis on "intimidate and coerce a civilian population" is interesting. Seems to imply billionaires are not considered part of the civilian population. As they shouldn't be.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 28 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That is not how I read it. If he had shot and left a note saying "fuck billionaires" or "fuck CEOs" then it would be terrorism because he would be threatening them. But his problem was just this guy. It was plain murder / revenge.

The internet made him a champion of "anti billionaires" against his will

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yep. Maybe this is irelevant to US law, but I'm in Romania (European Union member) at the moment and here discriminating against someone based on wealth (wealthy/poor) is a hate crime (as is discriminating based on gender, age, orientation, etc). So at the most it'd be a hate crime. The terrorism charges were politically motivated.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 2 days ago

Before we go giving the legal system a pat on the back for that, that's not really what's happening. The law is written with a high level of provable intent in mind, and that's the only way it could possibly pass 1st Amendment muster. It's really, really hard to prove anyone intended to intimidate anyone.

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[–] Krono@lemmy.today 92 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I believe Luigi is the killer, and he should be regarded as a hero. The slaying of Brian Thompson was a honorable and heroic act.

Killing a man who did the evil and destructive work of Healthcare CEO has literally saved the lives of hundreds or maybe even thoudands of United Health customers who would have had their lifesaving care denied.

If you are lucky enough to be chosen for jury duty, please study Jury Nullification

given that said "murder" resulted in countless healthcare claims being approved, chances are he saved countless lives.

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe a CEO was murdered but I've seen zero evidence it was Luigi and all evidence points to another man of different height and build. Law enforcement and prosecution haven't even established that Luigi was even in the city, the photo used to identify him was proven to be 3 weeks olds at the time of the shooting.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

If Luigi was the killer then he has 2 sets of clothes that look remarkably similar but distinctly different. Bit strange to commit murder in one outfit then continue to wear a similar outfit in public.

[–] greywolf0x1@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Hear, hear!

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It takes twelve to hang the accused but only one to hang the jury

[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jury annulment is the better option here. Best option.

[–] NateNate60@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Acquittal is what happens when all twelve jurors vote "not guilty".

Conviction is what happens when all twelve jurors vote "guilty".

A hung jury is what happens when at least one of the jurors votes differently from the others.

Jury nullification is when the jury votes to acquit despite the obviousness of the guilt of the accused. It is not the best option. The best option is for the jury to acquit based on the fact that the evidence is honestly shit.

Though jurors are never required to disclose the reasons for their vote. Any one juror who votes "not guilty" and refuses to budge from that position despite the others voting "guilty" will cause a hung jury and prevent the accused from being convicted.

Hence, it takes twelve (unanimous agreement of all jurors) to hang the accused, and it also takes twelve to acquit them, but any single juror can choose to hang the jury by obstinately voting against the others.

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 40 points 1 day ago (6 children)

And make absolutely sure that they don't suspect you will be doing jury nullification. They won't allow you to be on the jury if you do.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

they are going to take a while in voir dire, probably going through hundreds juror at a time to see if any of them already havnt been consuming news of luigis arrest. it takes Hours to even go through 12 plus 3-6 alternates.( i was recently in JD and we sat there for like the whole day just doing it in the west.(like 7+hrs)

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[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

"Isn't he dreamy?" The judge is on record saying.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 172 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I remain unconvinced they even got the right fucking guy

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 91 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they did, I suspect they caught him via illegal methods. The story doesn’t add up.

Amongst many other oddities and inconsistencies, the evidence chain of custody was absolutely fucked six ways from Sunday

[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Which means the actual killer effectively got away with it. Good. I hope he lives a long and quiet life.

[–] FalseTautology@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not me, I hope we see him again soon. There's still a few thousand billionaires more than necessary.

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[–] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 day ago

They didn't get the right guy. Luigi looks nothing like the images of the shooter.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 101 points 1 day ago

Anyone looking at the terrorism charge knew it was bullshit, but check this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/luigi-mangione-terrorism-charges-dropped

"“Counts 1 and 2, charging defendant with Murder in the First Degree (in furtherance of an act of terrorism) and Murder in the Second Degree as a Crime of Terrorism, are dismissed as legally insufficient,” Carro wrote. “The People presented legally sufficient evidence of all other counts, including Murder in the Second Degree (intentional).”"

They didn't just toss the terrorism addendum, they tossed two of the murder charges with the terrorism rider.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Now move on to hero charges

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

Free my boy

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

He looks innocent to me.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

And that's the ball game.

Maybe now they can start looking for the real killer.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Free Luigi! Find the real killer!

[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago

The real killer is dead, he was the CEO

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Luigi and I were hanging out in California that morning. He's clearly being rail roaded.

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[–] selkiesidhe@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Luigi did what he did in defense of all of us.

He should be freed.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

"Allegedly did" at that.

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[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The cops have totally botched this case. No piece of evidence is not tainted, and that perp walk is enough to bias any jury. He should be let free (for a myriad of reasons).

[–] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Lmao that helicopter perp walk with the giant sniper/assault rifle guys. Transparently obvious what they were trying to accomplish

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago

In a written decision released as Mangione appeared in court, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.

Obviously...

They say killing anyone wealthy is terrorism, because they don't think fonus as real people.

They only care about wealthy bigots

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Excellent news. Now the prosecution needs to find and convince 12 people that he did it. I'm not sure they have the evidence to do that.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I don't doubt they have evidence that irrefutably proves he's the shooter...

The issue has always been legally admissible evidence.

I think they broke a shit ton of laws to find out who did it, then failed to retroactively create a "partel investigation" that would have legally uncovered the evidence so it could be used anyway.

Like, that's pretty normal for cops. They break laws to solve a crime, make up some bullshit about how they'd have found it anyways, then overcharge to get a plea deal and avoid trial.

Luigi ain't taking a plea deal, and while they may very well know it's him, they can't prove it in court

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