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[–] MithranArkanere@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.

They are actually worse in context.

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My dad was team horse de-wormer back in covid. Don't talk to him much.

Mom now says the he was a christian and he did everything right.

Guess sometimes parents can suck too

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[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I had someone try to tell me I was stooping to his level with my dark humor memes.

I told them, I can't do that because I'm not 6ft under.

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[–] Katrisia@lemmy.today 33 points 2 days ago (9 children)

He had shitty opinions, we know. I won't follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world's population improved with one less hateful person around.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I will have empathy

How dare you dishonor his memory.

[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

You can celebrate his death without celebration his murder. I'm not from the us so what I think doesn't matter, but I think both things can be true "good thing he is dead, his killer should get proper punishment, if everyone takes justice into their own hands we lose every semblance of a functional society"

[–] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

He had shitty opinions

I think we should stop saying this.

He was killed for his actions, not his opinions. His audience members are the ones who kill for opinions.

Discussing his personal opinions feels like a bit of a republican both sidesing talking point, honestly. I mean, if one side can kill the other just for having conservative opinions, then certainly they can fight back and kill people just for having blue hair and using the "wrong" bathroom!

It was the same with talk radio hosts decades ago. People would argue whether Limbaugh or Hannity really believe all the BS or if they just do it for ratings.

I only remember caring about that distinction when I was still immersed in the conservatism I was born into.

edit: added many word was not there

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ding dong the witch is dead? It's hardly unusual to celebrate deaths of some public figures. Especially ones that are disliked by large numbers of people.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I keep seeing this photo of Charlie Kirk and I keep thinking "There's no way that's Charlie Kirk".

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hey! It's Charlie Kirk!

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (25 children)

Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:

Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.

But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every "rest in piss" meme, every "fucked around and found out" joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.

Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.

The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.

His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.

[–] Gloomy@mander.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

I am happy to read at least one sane voice amongst the sea of people who don't understand that we are doing exactly what they are accusing us of doing by celebrating his death. I honestly am taken aback by the amount of people who think this is good.

[–] neobunch@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I appreciate your level-headedness, and I definitely get where you're coming from, but I need to point out the big gaping blindspot in your argument: the crackdowns and the facism are already here, and they've pretty much demonstrated they don't particularly care for or wait for justification.

Do you see why arguing "you're giving them ammo and justification" rings very hollow at this particular point in time?

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yup. I totally understand why it rings hollow and why "feels good" that a Nazi died.

Authoritarianism isn't waiting for permission. Absolutely.

But there's a difference between "they don't need justification" and "justification doesn't matter." Yes, Trump was always going to crack down on dissent. But Kirk's assassination transforms that from "Trump's authoritarian overreach" into "necessary response to political violence." It shifts the narrative from aggression to self-defense. Did Goebbels need Wessel after his death in 1930? No, but it sure as shit worked to mobilize the base.

My point is that we, the true patriots upholding actual freedom, lose here. We all lose here and its frustrating that so many people are caught up in the cosmic justice that they can't see that this is EXACTLY what they want.

The "feels good that a Nazi died" impulse is human. But politics isn't about feelings, it's about power. And right now, people celebrating are ensuring that the worst people in America are about to get a lot more of it, wrapped in the flag and carrying Kirk's picture.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yeah, worried about this and the punishment doesn't fit the crime, and too much room for his death to be weaponized, like you say.

Would have much rather him taken a few to the vest from a handgun from a pissed off obviously MAGA person. Give him some pain and a good scare to have him realize personally just how risky the hornet's nest is that he is stirring. Something that might be a close enough call for others to see without becoming a rallying cry and a clear link to the violence of the rhetoric without a chance to blame 'the other'.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They were gonna do it, anyway. They were just waiting for an excuse. Any excuse. In a world as big and complex as ours, probability would have provided them with some pretext sooner or later. As we can see, they don't know anything about the shooter, or his ideology. It's just an excuse. If the world didn't provide them one, they'd manufacture it. Walking around on eggshells and trying to avoid giving them one was never tenable.

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[–] mere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Omg thanks for this. Far too many people are jumping on the 'celebrate his death because he was an awful person' bandwagon. No, the best thing the left can do at the moment is just to have as little reaction as possible. The right was already attacking us and every 'lmao kirk died, rest in piss bozo' comment and post just gives them more ammunition. It's not fair, but at the moment they have the power and we do not. We need to demonstrate to the masses that we are the better people, because that's how we're going to get mass support and that's how we're going to get the right-wing fascists in power voted out.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

trump is honoring him with a military procession, to distract from epstein. people said he was killed over, because he was pining for epstein files to be released. Kirk did more harm than good, but MSMS seems to try to sanewash him.

[–] EndlessApollo@lemmy.world 266 points 3 days ago (3 children)
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[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 273 points 3 days ago (11 children)

Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy.

No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn't have happened.

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[–] AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 123 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought there were no good Nazis, but he just proved me wrong.

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[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 210 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (56 children)

His last words

He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied "Too many"

He was corrected, the number is 5.

He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700)

He asked back: "Counting or not counting gang violence?" and got shot

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 142 points 3 days ago (11 children)

His last word was "violence".

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemmy.world 40 points 2 days ago (14 children)

I don't give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.

Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk's death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk's very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.

Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 58 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I remember every single time someone they didn't like died. They would rejoice in the most vile manner imaginable. Fuck them.

I am betting that Kirk's killer was a fellow conservative who found him too soft and not hard right enough.

Or... maybe it was the same guy who killed Brian Thompson... because Luigi is innocent.

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[–] red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com 76 points 3 days ago (12 children)

I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.

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[–] Octavio@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (11 children)

OK, honestly I’m not going to celebrate a murder. But nothing can stop me from appreciating the heck out of the irony.

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 80 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Yep. I've already said this like three times on other platforms: it's ok to be happy about this. He gave you permission. Twice, actually. The "it's worth sacrificing a person every now and then if it means we get to have guns" and this empathy thing.

This is maybe the only time it's ok to be happy someone died.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 158 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I'm laughing at the song choices being posted on the music community.

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[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 115 points 3 days ago (51 children)

I hate how some are trying to spin this as "he was killed just for having different opinions" like no, he didn't just have "different opinions" that's grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is "worth it" because "god given rights" (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn't allow her to have an abortion

All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don't know

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[–] AnitaAmandaHuginskis@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Not wearing a helmet, bullet-proof vest and all and arguing against gun control.

He was asking to be shot...

/s obvsly ffs

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