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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 57 points 4 days ago (12 children)

Not to get too serious, given the topic and the community I'm in, but...

There's a saying along the lines of "You can't reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into." And the overwhelming majority of the time, it's completely true.

Ridiculous as it sounds, there are large numbers of people out there who believe that being gay is a choice. These people legitimately feel like any recognition and representation of homosexuality risks turning people gay.

You can spend all the time you want asking them when they chose to be straight and logically explaining things to them, it almost certainly will not matter.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 13 points 4 days ago

I can somewhat understand but of course not support that mindset.

Imagine if you held it as an axiom that "being gay is bad for you". Then it becomes similar to addiction in their eyes, some people are more susceptible, some people are less, but it is the role of community to keep people away from indulging as it is bad for you. The choice that is presumed by them is not one of identity, but one of indulgence, the alternative they have is not "be straight", but "don't do gay things", so they want people to do what normal people call "staying in the closet".

For them, a gay person is like a crack addict saying "but being a crackhead is not a choice, I was born with it, and this is how I want to live my life". And they fear to let their children next to this gay person the same way you'd be apprehensive of a crack addict, because they might give your kids crack and make them crack addicts too. And if you tell them that their kids might be gay too is like a crack addict telling you your kids might like crack too; well of course they might, but it's bad for you so you shouldn't do it.

Now of course society should stay out of our bedrooms, but that is an axiom held by us, but not by them. And partisan politics of course likes to keep these divisions up so that you vote for the one side, they vote for the other, and nobody questions why can't we just live our lives in peace.

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (2 children)

The response is always "having a choice means you are bisexual."

[–] Roopappy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah, clearly. My similar answer has always been "Huh. It's not a choice for me... Are you actively choosing not to be gay right now?"

It's sad, but if you are constantly resisting the urge to be gay... you might be kinda gay. You might be happier if you stop fighting it.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Time to relax my sphincter.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago

It's not true, but the way it plays out makes people think otherwise.

There are tons of first gen atheists who came from deeply fundamentalist families, and often believed everything well into adulthood. To name two examples, Bart Ehrman and Genetically Modified Skeptic.

What won't happen is changing someone over the course of a single debate. They will come up with all sorts of mental gymnastics right on the spot. However, conversations like that do add up over time. An otherwise inquisitive mind will find a way eventually.

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[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Please remember, they are not there to convince you of their faith! They are there to be rejected. They sent out 18yos with a up until that point unknown other 18yo person to a far away place, then tell each other them that they should look after each other. So now they effectively spy on each other and know their only "friend" in that situation is expecting them to behave like a good elder. Then they were told that the outside world is rejecting god as it was corrupted by the devil and now they are running around and approaching random houses and bother the people living there, which will obviously mostly reject them.

This is fucking brainwashing.

Look up the BITE model...

  • Behavior: imagine living with only 1 person that you are supposed to spent your whole day with and that person spies on you and you know it.
  • Information: the mission is supposed to prove that the outside world rejects them
  • Thought: you are supposed to focus on the mission and god alone.
  • Emotion: fear based indoctrination by being told that the world rejects them and their only support is a member of the organization.

It is fucking cultish

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (2 children)

It's projection. It never made sense to me until I realized it's all projection. They think gay people are going door to door exactly like they do.

They go door to door saying "Have you found Christianity? I've chosen to be Christian and I think it's a great way of life. I think you should choose to be Christian, I think you should raise your children to be Christian, I think we should have a Christian society."

So they just assume everyone else is going door to door "Have you found gayness? I've chosen to be gay and I think it's a great way of life. I think you should choose to be gay, I think you should raise your children to be gay, I think we should have a gay society."

Which to us is as ridiculous as going door to door "Have you found left handedness? I've chosen to be left handed and I think it's a great way of life. I think you should choose to be left handed, I think you should raise your children to be left handed, I think we should have a left handed society."

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

...I'm so gonna go door to door with pamphlets on gayness.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

can we talk about our lord and saviour prostate orgasming

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Is it really so awesome as they claim?

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[–] Deathray5@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 3 days ago

"Have you tried gayness" spuds like a good pick up line for pride

[–] Juice@midwest.social 22 points 3 days ago

Mormons are so funny, I legit feel bad for all the people who have been traumatized by these weirdos, but like these children are called "elders."

They have all these weird rules where premarital sex is totally not permissible, but they be fucking, and then be like "its not sex with a condom on" or of course soaking. Like straight faced "I'm saving myself for marriage," and I'm like "we've had sex 6 times this week, Genevieve."

I was at a party in college and this Mormon dude who always did these awkward, overly complicated jive handshakes that felt really violating, was sitting outside upset and depressed holding a half-empty beer. He was like "its all over I've sacrificed everything I believe in, for what? So I can drink a beer at a party??" It was one beer he wasn't even finished with it. Its like relax dude, I'm like 19 and spiraling into alcoholism I think you'll be okay this one time.

Ive heard so many horror stories, but I've only had good and very funny experiences with Mormons. And none of this even gets into the magic underwear or like you get your own planet in the afterlife.

Idk how people believe in this stuff sober

[–] lukaro@lemmy.zip 28 points 4 days ago (2 children)

True, I’ve never had a gay guy wake me up too damned early on a Saturday to talk about sucking dick. But damn Christian’s keep asking me if I found Jesus. Damn it fuckers just admit you lost at hide n seek already!

[–] Juice@midwest.social 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I’ve never had a gay guy wake me up too damned early on a Saturday to talk about sucking dick.

Skill issue

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[–] tatterdemalion@programming.dev 25 points 4 days ago

Also religious people:

Trying to force public schools to post the ten commandments.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Religious people are objectively the worst.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 days ago

The Mormons claim to want to help with anything right? What if I asked them to help teach tolerance and empathy to the maga?

[–] maxxadrenaline@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

so what about gay religious people? i mean two well groomed men on bikes traveling in unison...

[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 4 points 2 days ago

One day I was headed to my car to go somewhere. A zealot intercepted me and wanted to proselytize to me. I told him thank you but no thank you. He was all like "But have you heard about Jesus Christ?" I said that I was raised a Christian and knew all about it, but I reject it. He still was trying to argue with me so I finally just said "Have a nice day" and walked away as he was still trying to reconvert me. Some of them simply can't believe you know what they are about but don't buy into it.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 26 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Easy answer. Just push selling whatever you want on them. Hell make up stembolts.

[–] tjsauce@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] ftbd@feddit.org 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's worth it though. And what about some delicious yamok sauce?

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Wolf@lemmy.today 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I Will Be Eaten First!

P.S. Thanks for linking to Oglaf, it's been way too long and I had forgotten about it.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Also religion: we gave birth to you so you're automatically sign up to our religion.

Also also religion: you're free to convert into our religion, but you're not allowed to leave.

Also also also religion: since you've converted into our religion, you are mandatory to ditch your name and use our system.

Also also also also religion: send religion police to patrol the street for religious compliance

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 3 days ago

They'd defend themselves by saying you can just turn them away, while completely ignoring that they can choose to not consume media with queer people in it. And when they whine that the problem is that it's in too much stuff now and they can't avoid it, they're once again trying to control what's in media and they've gone full circle.

[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I can't see Mormons without thinking of Orgazmo. For a time, it was free on YouTube as well.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The book of Mormon is even better. Legitimately had to force myself to breathe through the laughter.

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[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago

Orgazmo sounds like a Hentai villain

Ah, the soul soliciting pigfuckers are at the door.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago

Every accusation is a confession

[–] ryedaft@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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Projections gonna project

[–] iii@mander.xyz 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Do not answer the door in your underwear. Apparently that's a crime.

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[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

The only way Christian’s know they’re doing good is when they’re being persecuted. So they do things to create conflict, and they get confirmation bias.

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