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Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.
Letting the city sink under and establishment Dem was totally not the smarter fucking move.
You may as well be a Posadist to say this. Fighting for things is good and waiting for things to get worse and worse as though you can then waltz in and win the confidence of the proletariat is nonsense. You're not a doomer because doomers don't pretend that giving up is 4D chess.
How very convenient when one's analysis requires them to stay at home and do nothing.
actually my analysis says i need to go to beb and have a good sleeb
also, who's to say that NYC will "sink" even in the next term of an establishment ghoul, and even if it does/conditions worsen to the point of no return, why would a compliant corporate media tell the general populace that it was happening?
if the media is going to pump doom propaganda to blame the social democrat, they were going to pump brunch normalcy propaganda or simply memoryhole everything to prop up the italian sexpest. as a nobody australian i may not be super informed on the day to day of NYC life, but i struggle to believe that NYC was going to reach a tipping point of institutional collapse within 2 years.
the only way that allowing the establishment dem to win was a "smarter move" is actively contributing to "sinking" the city - aka you were ready to wage a concerted bombing campaign against state assets and police forces the day he was sworn in. i have a feeling op is not exactly putting their foot down on the accelerator in this sense
edit: idk i know this probably sounded unhinged, but "nothing ever happens" posting just shits me, and a subset of that seems to be this idea of "strategic accelerationism" that always just so happens to absolve its proponents of any workload or responsibility (as per the other reply). acceleration only happens if the forces applied affect the rate of change of velocity physically - so fuck it, if you believe this shit works socially, it must work on the same principles. similarly, if you believe in this, then surely the inverse applies and force applied in a positive direction will 'decelerate' societal harm and should eventually result in acceleration in an intended direction.
yes, electorialism in many senses does fuck all, but it at least applies some force in the intended direction as little as it may be. "strategically doing nothing" does fuck all other than allowing the existing forces applied to continue applying the existing acceleration, and why would these existing institutions applying concerted societal force allow themselves to look bad? they're gonna blame us anyway. I'm lazy as shit and even I see this. just fucking do something.
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I admit i know nothing of any theoretical analysis of accelerationism and am just rambling. feel free to call me a dumbass for misapplying concepts, but i stand by my statement that "strategically doing nothing" is still doing nothing and will never amount to any tangible positive change. If tangible positive change does somehow come about, you will receive no credit for it and deserve to be admonished for being a lazy fuck.
Humility is a great virtue, but you're correct, I think. OP isn't even really accelerationism because it doesn't even take the agency to do acceleration (so that's two garbage ideologies that it's even worse than) but yeah, accelerationism in a scenario where capitalists are winning just means them winning more or the fascists taking over in case of collapse (which you are right, is not at all imminent). It's a nonsense ideology equivalent to cheering on the rapture.
The wise man bowed his head solemnly and spoke: There's actually zero difference between good and bad things you imbecile, you fucking moron
Let social democrats celebrate. They're not really hurting anyone. This isn't 1919 and they're not currently standing in the way of a successful revolution. If you start stewing in petty resentments now it's not going to serve you or anyone else. Save those feelings for when it matters.
It's funny that the argument boils down to "you expect a social fascist (which I don't think he is) to save you?" While these mfers also just sit around and wait for a vanguard to spontaneously emerge.
That’s just it. Everyone who read Lenin is just sitting there being like “MAN I CANT WAIT FOR THE VANGUARD TO COME START THE REVOLUTION AND PROTECT THE PROLETARIAT FROM CAPITALISTS!” Can some of you, like, help us?
There is also great value in having someone like him win, then fail to improve things or achieve anything. It teaches socialist-leaning people that electoralism achieves nothing. It’s ten years since Sanders, there’s a whole new generation that needs to be taught that lesson (apparently) lol.
At the very least it normalizes and demystifies socialism for many people, which in itself is worth something. Getting everyday people to consider socialism as a viable alternative to the status quo is a big deal, and having a socialist mayor in arguably the most important city in the US goes some way toward that. Even if Zorhan crashes and burns, it will still help radicalize people, as you said.
I do kind of agree with the notion that we shouldn't put too much faith in electoral politics but at the same time we should always try to get socialists or leftwing people into positions of power when possible, for the reasons I stated above.
Yes exactly! I have to wonder how many people on hexbear picked up Lenin after watching Bernie get screwed.
then fail to improve things or achieve anything.
he'll be better than adams and cuomo. what's your standard for these failures? he's not going to make a communist city-state, he's not going to hang all the landlords in central park but it's dumb as hell to expect those things
I think this argument is woefully doomer. At some point we have to support socialist candidates, and socialist organizing. The DSA and the Working Families party are showing up. The fight isn't done, but it's a W regardless
Is he doing socialist organizing? Or is this just an electoral campaign?
Electoralism is fine as a tactic in a larger strategy, but if the entire strategy is just electoralism it's doomed to fail. There has to be a larger revolutionary project at work.
The only way we get to that project is through organizing, and delivering concrete wins for people so they trust us. I will judge Mamdani on whether he delivers on his promises. I understand being skeptical, but DSA and Future Mayor Mamdani are putting in the work of organizing, showing people that a better world is possible.
But is he doing socialist organizing?
Election campaigns can be a tactic, like I said, but if that's the extent of his organizing then it can't accomplish anything else other than temporary electoral wins.
This is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, delivering concrete wins purely through electoralism alone is absolutely impossible. If he doesn't have a larger strategy, other tactics to fall back on besides getting elected, then he's just going to run headfirst into the obstacles outlined in the OP.
Is there any strategy outside getting elected?
NYC-DSA has seen a massive increase in members during his campaign. His campaign has created more socialists that have joined a political party. For socialists in the current environment, I think that's one of the best outcomes of electoralism.
The rent freeze on subsidized housing is something that Mamdani can deliver day one. No possibility of interference from the reactionaries. As others in this thread have pointed out, Mamdani and DSA strategy also builds class consciousness.
I get where you are coming from, but I think that delivering these wins is itself the strategy. Just keep fighting, and we'll get there.
why can't you be happy that new yorkers will have a hot mayor
why bother dooming
it's a pleasant surprise
let it be
Also if anyone calls me a doomer for this take I'll be recording your usernames and asking you how you feel about this post in a year from now.
Quick Everyone call sovietbeertruck a doomer so sovietbeertruck has to either make one massive post or a thousand smaller posts.
So Hugo Chávez shouldn't have run for president of Venezuela? While electoralism isn't a magic bullet to achieve socialism, it is indeed one useful tool in the belt.
It will be a struggle, but if Mamdani can deliver positive change for his people, he can turn that into a movement.
When I am a magnificent eunuch janissary In the Mamdani caliphate in a year I WILL be coming to find YOU!
Even if he disappoints it is something to work with. Just like how Sanders caused an uptick through mobilizing socdems and then disappointed them, helping them radicalize.
if bernie completely stayed out of the last two presidential elections we probably don't even get this one.
fuck him anyway but normalizing socialism is good
You'll probably be right in at least like- half of that I think.
But you gotta admit it's at least worth a laugh to watch the fallout, and it feels good to watch Colbert do some turbo zionist racism shit just to have Cuomo get endorsed by Bill Clinton and eat shit anyways. It's nice seeing that whole ideology of "DO YOU CONDIMENT HUMMUS?!?!" fail in practice as people get more sick of it.
In fact: the truth that this might not be significant YET it still is causing a panic makes it funnier to watch to me. Especially seeing zionists crawl out of their holes to bawk and cry after two weeks of the Iron Dome shittin its pants.
Imbibe in the slop a touch, let thine mind be awash in a giggle or two. Plenty of time to feel bleak later.
Imbibe in the slop a touch, let thine mind be awash in a giggle or two. Plenty of time to feel bleak later.
Poetic
he should immediately harness the full arsenal of the NYPD and invade Israel due to humanitarian concerns
this time the young progressive democrat will carry out the will of the people! 
Lots of libs about to get radicalized when the Dems back an independent Cuomo campaign in the general.
But what if he’s just built different
Every mayor has to face the fascist cops and their threats. Remember the NYPD union threatening and doxing Bill DeBlasio's daughter.
Eh just take the symbolic win and then use his inevitable inability / unwillingness to get anything meaningful done as an opportunity to radicalize even more people 
Zorhan should drop a nuke on New York so that the population realizes the virtues of communism.
I'm primarily interested in, assuming he wins the office, what happens with the NYPD. the mayor is the cop boss and I expect a lot of furious pig noises would start on day 1.
the negotiated contracts and protections for cops are strong, the institution is a potent political force on its own, but he can enormously fuck with its leadership at will and apply real pressure to those opportunistic careerists. that kind of shit has an impact, the way trump has traumatized the entire civil service. and the trump admin just took a blind wrecking ball to it. someone astute and motivated with a popular mandate could do much more.
as much as it won't be some miraculous reform of the NYPD, it could have real impacts and a legacy. if it couldn't, the hogs wouldn't already be panicking.
personally, I think the pigs, being pigs, will immediately overplay their heaviest hand and give cover for a "reform" project. like goddamn, how many commuting bystanders gotta get clipped by the cops over a random fare jump before some real consequences happen?
NYC mayor has nigh dictatorial powers in the city, being only be able to be checked by the state govt, NYPD, and the MTA
Honestly even if the only difference between Zohran and Cuomo is that no women get sexually harassed by the NYC mayor I think that's a win.
That's going to change quickly if he wins.. I hope he and his team appreciates the level of ratfuckery he'll be up against.
May the wall come swiftly to the enemies of the NYNKVD.
I cant wait for the NYNKVD to take Steven colbert out to central park and have him shoot on live television
loser, know-nothing take that you should be ashamed of
Anyone have an over/under on superpac expenditures for the general? Something around 50mil?
Zohran for president.
Do i think that this is going to matter when it comes to the long term trajectory of America? No. Do i think he will manage to do all the things he claims? No. I don't even vote in elections(I do fill out ballots but usually write in "Fuck America" or vote PSL ig) and don't pay attention to them much. But if this means the NYPD will murder like 5% less innocent black people for a few years then i see that as a win atleast.
Now I'm still on the fence about if even that much will happen tbh. A lot of these people run as like dem-soc types and end up just being typical libs with better marketing (AOC/Bernie Sanders). So we'll see i guess.
i'll take that bet.