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[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 44 points 11 months ago

Jerusalem has a Jewish anti-zionist neighbourhood nkrumah-baffled

[-] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 74 points 11 months ago

There were Jews in Jerusalem before the Zionist movement existed.

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 66 points 11 months ago

america has white anti-Americans shrug-outta-hecks

sometimes people are just born there, or don’t have a plan B. Think that one Taylor Swift account that went to jail for refusing to join the IDF.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My bigger question is how you get those people concentrated in one neighborhood, I’d expect them to be pretty equally spread around

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 43 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Spitballing, maybe the community formed around the anti-Zionist synagogue? Could be a sort of self-selecting process emilie-shrug

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

That would make sense. And of course once it gets that reputation it becomes self reinforcing

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

Think of Greenwich village in New York in the 70s or Exarchia in Athens in the 2010s. Radical neighborhoods are a thing for whatever reason.

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

I’ll be honest I can’t imagine being able to pick a neighborhood based on anything other than rent and proximity to work

[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

Greenwich village was cheap and in a dense neighborhood, so it also fit those criteria. It wasn't like rich radicals moving to the burbs together or something

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago

Man imagining a world where Greenwich Village is affordable is difficult lmao

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

Outsiders cluster together for mutual protection and support. Same way you get LGBT neighborhoods in conservative cities

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

TBH I feel like it's a bad idea to put all the good people in one place

[-] Sephitard9001@hexbear.net 7 points 11 months ago

Think of it from Israel's POV: they're putting all the bad people in one place so they can do shit like this. Makes perfect sense. It's how they do it in America and they train American cops don't they?

[-] novibe@lemmy.ml 14 points 11 months ago

It’s an old religious Jewish neighbourhood from the time of the Ottoman Empire. The people who live there have always been very religious. And they’ve been there since way before Israel was even a glimmer in the eyes of European Zionists.

And if you take the religion seriously, Israel should only exist again once the Messiah returned…

[-] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

Why would Hamas do this?

[-] jack@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago

What does "Torah Jews" mean?

[-] TheDeed@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This is a weird one. So usually Orthodox Jews would describe themselves as Torah observant or "religious", meaning they follow Torah law/its 613 commandments and the teachings of Talmud pretty much to the letter.

The people in this video probably would not call themselves "Torah Jews", to me this looks like a Haredi (sub sect of Orthodox Jews in Israel) neighborhood.

Israelis dont really like the Haredi, they refuse to serve in the IDF and are mostly opposed to Zionism for ideological reasons that I dont have time to type up right now. Basically orthdox jews that are against zionism believe the Messiah is supposed to show up and establish Israel and the establishment of the state as it exists today is a violation on religious grounds.

anyway, I looked up "Torah Judaism" and this guy seems like a crank. He's an american Jew who travels around doing mass conversions and evangelizes Judaism which is, to put it mildly, highly unusual and frowned upon.

Tldr: "Torah Judaism" the way this guy means it doesn't really seem to be a thing, However, he is not wrong about Zionists in Israel frequently attacking the Haredi Jews there.

[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Critical support to the Haredi.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 13 points 11 months ago

Non-Zionist/Anti-Zionist Haredi*

[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

To my knowledge they are by far the majority in the Haredi community

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's a bit more complicated. A number of the Haredi vote, and they are a significant part of Netanyahu's power base.

[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 8 points 11 months ago

That's interesting, I didn't know that.

[-] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

I made a comment the other day with a short explanation and some links explaining current Haredi politics:

https://hexbear.net/comment/4079482

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