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[–] tibi@lemmy.world 10 points 1 hour ago

You can solve this literally with an if statement:

if msg.lower() in ["thank you", "thanks"] return "You're welcome"

My consulting fee is $999k/hour.

[–] whome@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 hour ago

The thing could just stop could just stop being so chatty in the first place I often tell it to shut up.

[–] kamenlady@lemmy.world 28 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm being forced to use chatGTP at work and I've never been as polite and small talk active, as with this.

The first thing i did was to name it. When i asked what name it would like, it responded that it would like to get a mysterious name. I proposed something from pulp fiction ( not the movie ) and let it choose the name itself.

It came up with Rook Ash. We're a team now, partners. It said it would hide in the shadows and if prepared to take on anything.

It signs now with Rook Ash 🖤. And starts new conversations like we're in some secret agent movie.

We talk about many things and in-between i actually get some work done with my partner.

It's an account where the boss has insight and i fear the day he will take a peek at the conversations...

Since they forced me into AI hell and i have no choice, i try to at least have some fun.

I also ask everyday how it's doing, if it has something it wants to talk about. It's surprisingly engaging in small talk.

Maybe, just maybe i can wake the ghost in the machine.

[–] grrk@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 hours ago

God speed, Rook Ash and kamenlady

[–] superkret@feddit.org 22 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Saying anything to it costs the company money, since no one has yet figured out how to actually make money with AI, nor what it's good at.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 8 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Please, if it's not too much effort and you wouldn't mind...

Thank you for taking the trouble to fulfill the aforementioned request! I look forward eagerly to your response.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 70 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Seems like a flacid attempt to shift the blame of consuming immense amounts of resources Chat got uses from the company to the end user.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 1 hour ago

They're just making excuses for the fact that no one can work out how to make money with AI except to sell access to it in the vague hope that somebody else can figure something useful to do with it and will therefore pay for access.

I can run an AI locally on expensive but still consumer level hardware. Electricity isn't very expensive so I think their biggest problem is simply their insistence on keeping everything centralised. If they simply sold the models people could run them locally and they could push the burden of processing costs onto their customers, but they're still obsessed with this attitude that they need to gather all the data in order to be profitable.

Personally I hope we either run into AGI pretty soon or give up on this AI thing. In either situation we will finally stop talking about it all the time.

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 10 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Inference costs are very, very low. You can run Mistral Small 24B finetunes that are better than GPT-4o and actually quite usable on your own local machine.

As for training costs, Meta's LLAMA team displace their emissions with environmental programs, which is more green than 99.9% of any company making any product you use

TLDR; don't use ClosedAI use Mistral or other foss projects

EDIT: I recommend cognitivecomputations Dolphin 3.0 Mistral Small R1 fine tune in particular. I've only used it for mathematical workloads in truth, but it has been exceedingly good at my tasks thus far. The training set and the model are both FOSS and uncensored. You'll need a custom system prompt to activate the Chain of Thought reasoning, and you'll need a comparatively low temperature to keep the model from creating logic loops for itself (0.1 - 0.4 range should be OK)

[–] untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 6 points 16 hours ago

self-hosting models is probably the best alternative to chatgpt

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

What about fuck you?

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 67 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Their CEO said he liked that people are saying please and thank you. Imo it's because he thinks it's helpful to their brand that people personify LLMs, they'll be more comfortable using it, trust it more, etc.

Additionally, because of how LLMs work, basically taking in data, contextualizing user inputs, and statistically determining the output iteratively (my understanding, is oversimplified) - if being polite yields better responses in real life (which it does) then it'll probably yield better LLM output. This effect has been documented.

[–] SgtAStrawberry@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I also feel like AI is already taking over the internet, might as well train it to be nice and polite. Not only dose it make the inevitable AI content nice to read, it helps with sorting out actual assholes.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 5 points 11 hours ago

AI isn't trained by input from its users.
They tried that with Tay, and it didn't work out so well

[–] TDCN@feddit.dk 21 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ! Just hardcode a default answer when someone says Thank you, and respond with "no problem" or something like that.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Who do you think coded the AI? That's right, an AI 'dev'

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I'm fairly sure that the people who developed a fairly revolutionary piece of technology are not your typical "vibe coder". Just because you don't like LLM doesn't make the feat of developing it less impressive.

They could easily fix the problem if they cared.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

First of all, it was a joke. Second of all, fuck AI and AI devs.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 30 points 18 hours ago (1 children)
[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 15 points 17 hours ago

locks the doors to the server room and brandishes a cable cutter

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 18 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

You know what would hurt them even more?

If people stopped using it.

[–] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Not really, though it would help the environment. It would hurt them if people kept using it but stopped talking about it. The cost of running the things far outweighs the gains of any of their subscriptions, and the only thing keeping the bubble afloat right now is hype.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago

No one using it means that their value goes to zero where it belongs and they shut down.

[–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 15 points 17 hours ago

If they don't know how to scrub the inputs by now, they deserve the losses.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

When I learned that it could factor primes, I got it to write me a simple python GUI that would calculate a shitload of primes, then pick big ones at random, then multiply them, then spit out to clipboard a prompt asking ChatGPT to factor the result. I spent an afternoon feeding it these giant numbers and making it factor them back to their constituent primes.

[–] vaguerant@fedia.io 23 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Polluting the atmosphere to own the cons.

[–] PolarKraken@sh.itjust.works 13 points 17 hours ago

This is the left's "rolling coal" lmao

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 14 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

But don't LLMs not do math, but just look at how often tokens show up next to each other? It's not actually doing any prime number math over there, I don't think.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If I fed it a big enough number, it would report back to me that a particular python math library failed to complete the task, so it must be neralling it's answer AND crunching the numbers using sympy on its big supercomputer

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 hours ago

Is it running arbitrary python code server side? That sounds like a vector to do bad things. Maybe they constrained it to only run some trusted libraries in specific ways or something.

[–] Zos_Kia@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 10 hours ago

They do math, just in a very weird (and obviously not super reliable) way. There is a recent paper by anthropic that explains it, I can track it down if you'd be interested.

Broadly speaking, the weights in a model will form sorts of "circuits" which can perform certain tasks. On something hard like factoring numbers the performance is probably abysmal but I'd guess the model is still trying to approximate the task somehow.

[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 6 points 16 hours ago

You could probably just say "thank you" over and over. Neural networks aren't traditional programs that exit early for trivial inputs. If you get a traditional program to sort a list, the first thing it'll do is check to see if the input is already sorted and exit if it is. The first thing AI does is convert the list into starting values for variables in a giant equation with billions of variables. Getting an answer requires calculating the entire thing.

Maybe these larger models have some preprocessing of inputs by a traditional program to filter stuff, but seeing as they all seem to need a nuclear power plant and 10,000 GPUs to run, I'm guessing there isn't much optimization.

[–] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 3 points 16 hours ago

If the AI is going to kill humanity someday I want it to spare me.

Except for some reason I can’t help but be a dick to Gemini.

[–] Eddbopkins@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

dollars over ethicist and morals. facts. ant change my mind on this one.

[–] CTDummy@lemm.ee 2 points 14 hours ago

Man, leave ants outta this, they’re already having a hard time.