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[–] cRazi_man@lemm.ee 44 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

If I get to my dentist on time, he makes me wait 20 min.

If I get to my dentist 10 min late he refuses to see me.

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

I've experienced this myself, and it is a double standard.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 41 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Not giving both sides of an argument your platform to opine on if one of the sides is plainly bigoted and/or anti-scientific

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 18 points 18 hours ago

"Joe Rogan presents both sides of the vaccine debate!"

Joe Rogan may have brought two different opinions; he did not bring on a proportional number representing the actual consensus.

Which would be like 99 vaccine scientists and infectious disease specialists for every loony.

[–] leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 7 points 15 hours ago

i am not 100% confident but this question reminds me of the paradox of tolerance argument.

[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago

People often ask me how or why I work for a media company that works in front of recording footage if I have stage fright. One does not necessitate having to expect the other, which is good because there's very little I can do work-wise.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 22 points 21 hours ago (13 children)

Exclusive spaces for women and minorities while requiring male spaces to accept women and minorities. Like women or black only colleges and associations.

Sorry fellow white dudes, we still have so many comparative advantages and there is too much systemic racism and misogyny left to address before a white or men only club is in any way comparable.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Reverse discrimination is not an answer to the issue of discrimination - it is discrimination in itself.

Excluding any group of people is not only wrong in itself, but likely to drive a negative response from the people excluded, likely fueling movements against it - and against equality activists at large. You'll be seen as hypocrites at best, and along with you everyone who just genuinely wishes for people to become fully equal.

This is not the way.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Reverse discrimination isn't a thing. It is a good sign that the person using the term is a moron because as you noted, discrimination is just discrimination.

But minorities and women having their own spaces isn't discrimination. Women's sports leagues isn't discrimination. It is a response to being discriminated against for decades or centuries. So are black colleges, which were a response to being excluded from most universities. They exist because otherwise they wouldn't have been able to do those things because of the actual discrimination. It simply isn't the same thing at all because of the larger context.

On a side note, the whole transphobic 'no trans women in women's sports' bullshit is discrimination because it further excludes an even smaller portion of the population that is discriminated against even more than women.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It isn't an "answer" to anything, it is necessary for a feeling of safety and togetherness in certain vulnerable people at certain times. You must get past the fact that you weren't invited and accept that this is good for some of us. Give in a little, and take in so much more in the long run

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Hard to be an ally when you're excluded. Hard to even want to be an ally when you're told you're part of the problem.

[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You're not excluded, you're just not included. You're not meant to be part of everything in society, that doesn't make you an enemy. Try getting over it and being an ally regardless

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

I'm doing my thing and preparing, Ive got a nice little circle around me. Unfortunately a lot of people are hung up on identity politics instead of actually organizing and putting in work.

I'm an accomplice, not an ally. Too bad too many people are stuck on themselves to figure it out.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Im a guy. Im excluded from mothers groups. Is that really a bad thing when I can’t offer the group anything as Im not a mother?

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I think you as a father could probably learn a lot from mothers, so yeah it's kind of fucked up to be excluded.

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I have no kids. If the purpose of the mother’s group is for mothers to share their problems then I have nothing to offer.

[–] nomy@lemmy.zip 1 points 22 minutes ago

Why assume you have something to offer them when the opposite is likely truer.

[–] Tedesche@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

No, that is a double-standard, it’s just a double-standard you’re arguing is justified.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 0 points 10 hours ago

it would be more of a double standard if the two groups were on equal footing, but they're not.

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[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago

This actually is still helpful for us white dudes, if you meet another white guy that gets pissy about exclusive spaces you know that person isn’t worth talking to anymore!

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 9 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Add to this the previously white fictional characters being replaced with actors of color and I couldn't care less. The market will decide if it was a good idea with ratings. Sometimes it's a smashing success other times a complete disaster.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

My only argument against that stuff is make a whole new character or your just pandering disingenuously.

But for the most part I agree.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 8 points 18 hours ago

I remember seeing some neckbeard-ass post on Reddit when the live-action Little Mermaid trailer came out, saying how it wouldn't make sense for somebody living in that region of the ocean to have dark skin because of the longitude and depth of the water, etc...

Like... You're really trying to argue the scientific accuracy of... [checks notes] ... a fucking MERMAID? Spare everybody the mental gymnastics and just say you don't like black people.

[–] GaMEChld@lemmy.world 6 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Asking as a brown person, can you tell me what advantages white people are receiving that I'm not?

[–] MothmanDelorian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

I can tell cops to fuck themselves with zero fear of reprisal because I look and sound wealthy enough to sue.

edit: Statistically speaking as a white guy im ~50% less likely to be shot by police.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 2 points 8 hours ago

I don't know your situation, but I certainly can tell you that at least in the Western Hemisphere, in the aggregate descendants of indigenous people and slaves are overcoming systemic injustice that robbed their ancestors of economic advantages, dignity, and liberty, and often introduced intergenerational trauma as well. And I don't mean, like, in the past, redlining for example was legal within our parents lifetime and related forms of discrimination are still practiced today.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 11 points 16 hours ago

I scanned your comments and you're not totally off your rocker, so I'll not be as big of an ass as I usual am.

Your experience is an anecdote. The plural of anecdote is not "data".

The data shows that minorities are unfairly targeted by police. Arrested more, released more as innocent. Prosecuted more for the same rate of incidence.

The data shows that having an "ethnic" name gets fewer responses to an identical resume.

The data shows that for literal decades, some would say still, minorities couldn't get home loans in good areas with good schools.

What benefit do white people have? I have never, literally not once, thought or cared about my race. My privilege is getting to live without noticing my race in any meaningful context. That's why white people have to be "woken". We're comfortably asleep in our bubble, from birth.

If you don't see it, great! But that might say less about reality, and more about your ability to perceive it.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

There are people out there that would not hire you based on the only thing I know about you. I've met enough of them that I have to assume there are more.

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[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (4 children)

I can talk back to the police in a non-violent setting without getting shot.

As a white male, there is zero chance of deing discriminated against when applying for 95% of jobs.

I can walk into most buildings without being questioned. Nobody has ever told me that I don't belong somewhere because of who I am.

While whites that live in poverty can face some discrimination compared to middle class whites, $100 in clothing is enough to fit in most public spaces without drawing any attention. Minorities can't do that.

Those are the most obvious things, but they also mean that my economic and social standing basically went up my entire life by just being polite and working. That builds on itself, and while not all white men are successful. Being white isn't one of their hurdles.

All of those things are advantages compared to people who are not white males.

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[–] hendrik@palaver.p3x.de 19 points 21 hours ago

Some people can be trusted with some responsibility, and others can't.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Four lefts aren't a right, but three lefts are.

[–] thirteene@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

How about 4 slight lefts?

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 2 points 18 hours ago

A bubble bastard. It sounds like a double standard, but it most certainly is not.

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