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  • Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, whom President-elect Donald Trump appointed to lead a new government efficiency team, said they intend to call federal employees back to the office five days a week.
  • Companies such as Amazon and The Washington Post are adopting a similar policy in 2025.
  • But many companies will keep remote or hybrid work arrangements, largely because they boost profits, economists said.
  • Some view return-to-office mandates as a stealthy way to reduce employee head count.
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[–] PortoPeople@lemm.ee 259 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Billionaires need to be taxed out of existance.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 142 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's certainly one of the two ways.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Elon is probably only carrying that child on his shoulders all the time now as a human shield.

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought he was practicing to do that with Trump.

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be nice to see poo trickling down Elon's back every day

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Which is how you know he knows fuck-all about America, cause we're kinda indifferent to both collateral casualties and gun violence being the number one cause of death for children.

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[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least until everyone has homes, food, healthcare, freedom, and education.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

naw. keep the tax around, keep them from coming back.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 143 points 1 year ago

Neither of these assholes have ever had a real job. Not even a high paying real job.

Billionaires are a problem.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 110 points 1 year ago (6 children)

As someone who was mostly remote since 2015 I’m pretty confused

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 83 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Clearly you're living a life of luxury and privilege unlike ordinary hard-working folk like... (tries to keep straight face)... Elon Musk.

[–] LuxSpark@lemmy.cafe 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doing drugs and shit-posting is hard work.

[–] zib@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Don't forget all the effort he put in for years to not scream from the top of his lungs that he's a nazi. It's tough, I bet he even broke a sweat.

[–] Ioughttamow@fedia.io 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Don’t forget Diablo IV #1

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[–] Xanthobilly@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Doing drugs and shit-posting REMOTELY is hard work. ;)

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[–] Curious_Canid@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Me too. Musk can't actually manage people, but he can pretend more convincingly if he can see them in person and yell at them. There are a lot of managers like that and there are far more executives.

My company looked at the actual business results from the period of COVID remote work. Productivity went up, so they decided to keep things that way. It also allowed them to get rid of all their office space, except for a sparsely populated headquarters building, which is saving them a lot of money.

Most studies have shown that workers were more efficient when working remotely. Why would any executive want to reduce efficiency and increase infrastructure costs? The Return-To-Office push is not rational. It represents an inability to adapt to changing conditions. If boards were doing their jobs, they would be quietly showing those executives the door and looking for better people to run their companies.

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[–] alienzx@feddit.nl 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Remote since 2014... People are crazy

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Hell, my uncle was an attorney who was fully remote in the 80s.

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[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

stupid control freaks. Because controlling of their employees is what RTO is about, control and paranoia.

They are stupid paranoid control freaks who fear that their neat buildings stand empty and they cant just throw work at their wage slaves. So this is actually about control, paranoia, and vanity.

[–] hondaguy97386@sh.itjust.works 56 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The stupid thing is I actively do less work in the office.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

Almost all desk work should be ad hoc.

Get your shit done. Then do what ever until there's more work to do.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

I actively do less work in the office.

This is known. It's been proven; for introverts and/or ADHD especially, since the interaction is stressful and/or completely disturbing. The difference is stark.

But, for extroverts, the office can be where they thrive, and it's the environment that lures them in. So unless they adapt (what? Them? But adapting is for the introverts who run the shit) quickly, they're gonna be fish outta water in short order.

There's absolutely no automatic tangible benefit to RTO for those jobs that are remote capable (ie anything at a desk with no customer interface). Only a subset works marginally better with people to disturb, and I'll question even that number or the benefit. The only reason they want you back in is this lie about being unable to manage your ass unless they can see your ass -- which is the creepiest way to cover for "sunk cost fallacy" for the space lease.

But yeah, keep some space for extroverts who can't cope. It's us being the better people about it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Many people do for the sole reason that you're more productive when you're comfortable and you're probably going to be more comfortable at home.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That and they don't understand how to manage people remotely.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of the benefits of working from home has been that my manager can no longer use standing staring at me as his main means of judging whether I'm doing work. The whole business of needing to see people working just smacks of shitty management.

[–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So their reasons is control, paranoia, vanity, incompetence when it comes to remote management and their undivided devotion to the American Dollar.

^something^ ^something^ ^spanish^ ^inquisition^

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[–] Prox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That and they don't understand how to manage people ~~remotely~~.

FTFY

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[–] synae@lemmy.sdf.org 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok, let's say it is a covid-era privilege. Why does that mean it has to go away? Why can't it be a modern day innovation? Isn't it a curb on vehicle emissions? More spending money in people's wallets if they're not paying for gas or coffee or meals on the go due to commuting? What's the fuckin downside?? We stumbled upon a good thing

Oh fuck, I forgot the real estate prices. My bad. Yea let's cancel this whole thing

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

You forgot, it saves people 30 mins - 2 hours every day. What are they going to do with that time? Enjoy themselves? Advocate for their own interests?

No, clearly this cannot stand

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

Isn’t it a curb on vehicle emissions?

Welllll, Elon owns a large share of a company that makes vehicles. So the more people drive, the better for him.

[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

It’s also incredibly fucked up that they’re worried about real estate prices falling in an economy where so many are having a problem paying rent or owning a house.

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy's entire existence is a privilege.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can Musk please, please, please, just fucking die already? Preferably burnt to death while trapped in a cybertruck. He's just so stupid and has too much power, and I'm tired of people treating him like he's worth more than utter contempt.

Ramaswamy can go, too. Conspiracy theory peddling sycophant.

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago
[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"I'll be in the office when Elon is in the office."

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah is this guy showing up to Tesla, Twitter, and SpaceX every single day?

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He needs us more than we need him.

he should probably let that sink in.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

He just needs a firm reminder from a true patriot at the end of their rope.

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I worked at a national company of some fame for nearly 20 years. They have two main offices, one in the midwest and one in New England. Before COVID, it was common for folks to work from home, spread across the United States. We even had some fringe cases where people lived in England or Japan and worked from there. I don't work there anymore, but I hear post covid they are forcing people to move and work from the office. It really is leadership brain rot, everywhere, regardless of industry.

[–] mint_tamas@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I’ve been working remotely long before the pandemic and I will continue to do so - I’m far from being alone in that. Also, we are still in the “covid-era”, we just collectively decided to pretend we aren’t.

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

First remote job I had was in 2010 making barely more than minimum wage for tier 1 phone support. These guys are off their rockers.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Covid - the best times of our lives

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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rip Disabled people I guess.

And this is coming from the same peoppe saying “just get a job”.

You gotta provide accomodations my guy.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago

It's in my union contract. Your move, hair plugs.

[–] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm "racist" against billionaires and not even pretending not to be. There's like no more than a small handful who do much (relative % I mean) good for anybody. Those should be noted and tasted normally (if they weren't while on the way up), but they should be taxed out of existence. Il

I don't know what the number should be, but it shouldn't be possible for your net worth to even approach a billion.

Probably smaller than $50M. Shouldn't be possible to surpass that much. Even that amount should be heavily forced into charity.

If you're in that upper echelon, I automatically hate you before I've heard of you, and I'm fairly confident the amount of times I'm wrong would be extremely small.

Super rich people have to prove they're worth not hating. Their default position is "hated idiot" until proven otherwise.

There's just so little possibility I wouldn't want them dead in a vacuum (devoid of other moral considerations).

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[–] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The company I work for is pushing almost all of IT to WFH so they can get rid of all the office space they're renting. It actually kind of sucks for me because I don't like working from home.

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[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

HE'S WORKING FROM FUCKING MARALAGO FUCK YOU

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 1 year ago

You mean the "privilege" of working from home so tech CEOs could make billions of dollars?

Obviously billions of dollars is just the result of hard work and not a privilege at all.

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