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[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 55 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Look this probably is going to be an unpopular opinion, and I know this is part of a wider attack on trans people which is obviously fucked, but the world would be a better place if literally nobody was in the US military. We mock Israel for their army of idpol genocidaires.

Maybe if we’re lucky he’ll kick women out next, which will eliminate a quarter of their troops. It was basically only allowing women into the military that has saved the all-volunteer US armed forces from the absolute collapse in recruitment.

Edit: reading the other comments turns out this is a cold and popular take. Thank you my echo chamber friends

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It's very funny when chuds complain about women in the military when you're 100% right about them never reaching targets with just men and it was a practical solution to shore up the power of empire without offering higher pay and shit.

Cuz it turns out it's a tough sell to ruin your knees and be scared of fireworks till you die for a college scholarship and you couldn't save as much pay as you initially planned because you had to live off post because there's black mold in the barracks and a whole host of other shit

So, dear chuds, by all means do whatever reforms you want that will ultimately make the military perform worse

[-] infuziSporg@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

15,000 out of about 2 million? Are trans people disproportionately represented in the military?

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 28 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7906232/

https://priceonomics.com/how-the-military-became-the-countrys-largest/

"Notably, transgender persons appear twice as likely as members of the general population to serve in the military"

Past reading about this on reddit, it appears a ton of transfems enlisted in the military as an attempt to "save their masculinity" pre egg crack. No idea about trans men

AFAB trans are 3 times more likely and AMAB trans are 1.6 times as likely

[-] ComradeMonotreme@hexbear.net 18 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes. But the US rate of openly trans people is like 6 out of 1000. The army is 7.5 out of 1000. So it's not a huge margin when we don't know how many stealth, closeted or eggs in either population.

Edit: I used the above figures in my maths, but it's a bit higher because the military is like 1.4million. which is just above 1% or 10 out of 1000. But the comment still stands that in the military where you can't exactly be stealth, but you were also safe to be out of the closet for a while recently, it might not be that different from actual rates.

[-] darkcalling@hexbear.net 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Less rainbow imperialism. More of the mask slipping. More and more difficulty for the west to use "human rights" rhetoric as a cudgel without looking oh so two-faced to the entire global south and even many in the core.

I'm not sure if he actually does it though. If he does it's for his base and some of his wack advisors as he absolutely 100% does not give a shit about trans people one way or the other. His focus has always been anti-immigrant racism.

[-] StalinistSteve@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 6 days ago

Critical support

[-] heartheartbreak@hexbear.net 14 points 6 days ago

thats my president

[-] HumongousChungus@hexbear.net 9 points 6 days ago

wait should I enlist just so I can sue when this happens

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 16 points 6 days ago

no because if it doesn't go through you're fucked

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 5 points 6 days ago
[-] Aquilae@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

They're getting rid of their only competent troops lmao

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 68 points 1 week ago

Making trans people with combat knowlodge unemployed for a transphobic reason doesn't seem like a good idea.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 week ago

chuds in the US military will never do something good, there's a whole thing about homeless "veterans", never saw them revolt

[-] Redcuban1959@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

Besides WW1 vets. Many post-vietnam vets turned in far-right terrorists. Oklahoma City bombing is an example of this. I guess the only recent cool veteran was Chris Dorner.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 6 days ago

It's as stupid as expecting SS officers to be leftist revolutionaires post WWII, no mf

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

Even then Chris Dorner was more Cop than Troop and was upset about other cops being racist to him more than anything.

[-] grendahlgrendahlgen@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

The Bonus Army did, and the feds gassed them in the middle of DC.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 26 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Bonus Army was filled with ex-conscripts. Modern veterans were all volunteers, so they are bootlickers or selfish opportunists at heart without any type of solidarity. They lack the ingredients for an uprising

[-] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago

People can be radicalized within the service, like Aaron Bushnell.

But absent conscription I don't think the armed forces are fertile grounds, which is an absolute shame.

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[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

On the other hand, it seems like a tactical victory for communism

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[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 48 points 1 week ago

part-of-history but backwards

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago

This would be great if he would just kick out the cis troops first.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 27 points 6 days ago

Yeah I support banning trans people from the US military. I also support banning cis people too

[-] red_stapler@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago

I was going to post something like “yay no :flag_trans: imperialism”; but this is going to mean 15000 more unhoused people isn’t it?

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 3 points 6 days ago

Let’s be honest, they would end up being homeless after the US military uses them to genocide the third world for a few years and then casts them aside like a used husk.

[-] nandos_house_of_glues@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago

it’s also a bad sign for us generally when they don’t even want to try to convince us to do rainbow imperialism or buy things, which is where it seems to be going

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Good because this will probably weaken the military along with his purges. If it makes the military less competent, I'm for it.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I sincerely disagree. 15,000 members of the US Armed Forces do not move the needle on the US' imperial might (which ultimately is predicated on financial domination and vassals, not military prowess). 15,000 marginalized people within the armed forces, however, represented a prime tactical advantage for a revolutionary political movement. See: Aaron Bushnell.

Obviously we can talk back and forth all day long about how the US armed forces can never be truly radicalized because of their position as footsoldiers of capital, but the hard material reality is that the American left is deficient in firepower but the military is full of possible fellow travelers. Remember that the Chinese Red Army was mostly made up of Nationalist deserters. How do you expect to be successful without a significant fifth column?

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 12 points 6 days ago

I'm fine with a tiny 15,000 of those "possible fellow travellers" getting a good dose of reality to leave the Wehrmacht- and ideally in the process, the contradictions and lies or the empire also being pushed forward a bit moreso into the minds of any such others with the same potential (human decency/empathy).

Also, IMO- it does not do our community (the trans community) globally or even within the US/west any favors IMO, to have token Uncle Toms joining in the empire's war machine, whatever their motivations. Just like Isntreal flying the trans or rainbow flags is no benefit- or like how Obama's election did no favors to the black and African communities within the US or outside it (as an Asian seeing what he did to Africa's most developed country and black wealth/homeownership in the US I have said I hope I don't see some Asian POTUS), etc.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 8 points 6 days ago

Remember that the Chinese Red Army was mostly made up of Nationalist deserters.

Well yes, but as socialists we should be strategically in support of universal conscription. A volunteer army is not likely to produce these results...

[-] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 6 points 6 days ago

Especially a volunteer army that is essentially a bunch of mercenaries serving to get college or $50,000 or whatever. A lot of them aren’t even signing up because of some misguided patriotism or whatever at this point.

[-] darkcalling@hexbear.net 7 points 6 days ago

US military is already admittedly understaffed. It's a particular problem in the Navy and Air Force. They haven't been meeting recruiting targets well at all and the article I read said they missed last year's target by 45,000. If these people are all just gun-toting boots then yeah it doesn't impact how things work. But if some amount of them are specialists it could cause severe strain and negligence in various parts like their ships not being repaired properly, their aircraft having problems, just all kinds of things that impact the machinery of the war machine itself that keep the more technical aspects above a bunch of people who handle M-16s and hang out in Japan or Germany.

I do not think the conditions yet exist for these people to be truly revolutionary. Remember they signed up for this. They weren't conscripts and comparing this to China's situation in their civil war is like comparing apples to horse-shoes. Those people in China's nationalist army were revolutionaries of a kind who wanted independence and self-determination for their country, many of them were misled into a certain kind of nationalism but upon discovering communism they were amenable to it given it fit their passions and goals and met them much more effectively because communism was a message of hope to these people given their history, that of their parents, etc. It allowed them to save and liberate their people, promised to rejuvenate their nation and has succeeded. What passions and goals does resisting the US government meet for people who joined up because they're willing to enable killing brown people for healthcare or college and other highly individually centered selfish goals? What's the similarity there?

They'll be upset yes and that's good. I'm glad there is tension there as should we all be glad that the empire isn't able to effectively do rainbow imperialism with people like Trump taking off the mask so much. But I don't think so upset they'll be revolutionary. Americans are incredibly atomized and 15,000 is frankly a drop in the bucket. Could some of them eventually become part of something? Sure but they don't represent any kind of collective force that's going to pop up in any meaningful numbers to defend the marginalized when Hitler-lite (D) takes office and tunes the repression machine higher. I mean right now we're in the middle of a genocide and the response is to crush college protests, to criminalize dissent against the zionist entity and classify it as racism and the response to that is liberals smugly blaming the left and saying we deserve it and collective feelings of despair and powerlessness.

Things are going to get much worse in the US before that revolutionary potential arrives and I don't think it will be these people frankly. I think they'll be in their 40s at least before that moment arrives and it will be some new group of people in or recently in the military when things hit the fan that will turn their guns around. I think between that moment arriving and now we will have a war with China and the way things are going maybe with Russia more directly too.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

You have a very important point, war with China is much more proximal than revolutionary war. That changes the calculus. I think I stand by my belief that a fifth column is a required part of a successful leftist revolution against a militarized imperialist state; however it might be of greater utility for progressive forces outside the US for a large number of military specialists to be laid off without replacement. We'll see.

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[-] underisk@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

It’s difficult to drum up any sympathy for anyone who joins the US military and wants to stay there, trans or otherwise. Not enough animosity for the troops to celebrate blatant transphobia, though.

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 39 points 6 days ago

This is an extremely good policy.

The Trans class traitors and murderers are forced to be normal civilians instead of bloodsoaked fiends and the facade of Rainbow Capitalism will start to crumble, so that anti-imperialist resistance no longer will tend to take a reactionary edge.

This would be a massive blow to pinkwashing and the PR apparatice of the Fascist American state that uses LGBTQ+ people as shields.

It’s win-win. Saves trans lives, starts to destroy Rainbow Imperialism and Pinkwashing, and forces Trans Liberals onto our side

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 11 points 6 days ago

Agreed 1000%.

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