Only $10,000 more until the trash build quality sort of matches the price.
At that point you might as well spend an extra 3k for a Corolla
In most of Europe, the prices of Model 3's match pretty well those of the Polestar 2. The difference in build quality between those two is night and day. The Tesla feels like a Chrysler/Dodge Neon in comparison, with leather being the only concession whatsoever to niceness.
The fact that in Europe somehow they're "premium" and not budget cars within their category blows my mind.
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It really irritates me that the best range for $ ratio in the US is still dominated by Telsa.
It helps that they lie about the range.
They even lie about emissions considering the US power composition
The Ioniq 6 certainly has to be close if not better on that factor, depending on local incentives.
Yeah, good point. Hyundai / Kia is one of the few companies giving Telsa some proper range-cost ratio competition in the states.
i’d need another 130k to be taken off the price before i consider using one
It's $30k in the US?.... I'd be looking at 43k€-ish here ($47k)... Corolla is even more..
I checked the website it's actually $45k sticker price in the US.
The $30k price is with the $1k discount mentioned plus the "Include est. incentives of $7,500 and 5-year gas savings of $6,000" check box the Tesla site has.
What the fuck is this scummy marketing bullshit?
I understand what they're trying to do - bring attention to total cost of ownership and the price disparity between petrol and electricity. It's clearly marked and impossible to miss when you're on the website speccing out a car, so it's maybe a little initially deceptive, but not scummy imo. But it also leads to screenshots like this...
The proper way would be to lead with the sticker price and follow up with your estimated fuel savings. The other way around is scummy.
My friend, if you don't think that's scummy then I think you're a little bit too acclimated to marketing scams.
Well they're made here so it stands to reason they'd be a bit cheaper. No clue about the corolla tho
Mine would be made in Germany if I bought it. I think it's more a matter of taxes/lobbying and all that, all cars are more expensive here.
Its sometimes cheaper to get a bmw or a mercedes from the us back to europe then to buy it here in the first place.
The economy™
TIL Tesla has a factory (factories?) In Germany. My mistake.
Yeah, it has The so called GIGA Factory in Brandenburg(north east Germany).
You also have TUV. Germans are... special.
The US is special in not requiring cars to be roadworthy
Ahh yes, the casket cars which you can't open from the inside if they lose power.
Edit: The rear doors do not have a mechanical lever, so you have to leave through the front doors in an emergency.
I have many objections to Musk and Tesla, but I bought a used Model 3 before learning about all the insanity. The doors are designed to open with power, it's true; this is because they were built without a top frame, apparently to reduce weight, so the powered button lowers the window as the door opens to avoid damaging the glass.
However, there is an emergency lever (that would be easy to miss for sure) that just mechanically opens the door with no need for power. I have used this once to make sure it works and can confirm it exists and functions. Presumably, this is true of the Model Y as well; I can't imagine that a vehicle could pass any kind of inspection if there were no way to get out without power.
Same with model Y. I’m more concerned with people using that unknowingly instead of the button
In an emergency, everyone needs to get out of the car, not just the owner who has looked up where the hidden leaves are in advance.
I agree. My intent is not to defend the design, only to explain that the car does not physically prevent you from opening the doors. If it did, I doubt it could legally have gone to market, though I've been disappointed before.
In the case of my car, it's actually primarily for my wife. She has a cricut and printed out stickers indicating the various hidden ways to interact with the car.
Also, in my experience, almost every adult who has tried to open the door from within has asked what would happen if the battery died, so after their first time exiting they theoretically know how to exit in an emergency.
Not a good design or UX - Tesla is way too obsessed with minimalism - but not automatically a casket.
I would think that in most emergencies the owner can assist others in the car no?
If he's still alive, conscious and not stuck, yes.
Not if you die of lithium fumes spewing out at 5000 degrees
The frameless window has nothing to do with the decision. Cars with mechanical door handles have been retracting the window on opening longer than Teslas been making cars.
Should my kids and any other passengers also RTFM before getting in the car?
If you can't figure out how to operate doors, yes.
4 of every 5 passengers pull the mechanical latch instead of using the button in the first place.
If it’s your car, then you are responsible for the safety of your passengers. You should ensure that any adults are aware of how to use the safety features, e.g. seatbelts, and you have a plan for evacuation of any children in the event of an emergency. Just like if you’re driving a car with child safety locks on the rear doors that prevent those doors from being opened from the inside.
Hate on Tesla or Musk all you want, but let’s not spread easily-disprovable FUD. It weakens whatever argument you’re trying to make.
Child safety locks disengage when the airbags pop.
Who the fuck is going to know how to open the rear doors like that? Also, the older models required tools to open the hatch with the wire.
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