Banned? DM Wmill to appeal.
No anti-nautilism posts. See: Eco-fascism Primer
Slop posts go in c/slop. Don't post low-hanging fruit here.
And we shouldn't allow this concept to go unchallenged here on Lemmy.
Commenting on an active post is not brigading
Posting a link to something is not brigading
Commenting on something you were linked to is not brigading
The only thing that might be brigading, but isn't because it isn't a real thing, is someone explicitly going, "Hey everyone, go here and harass this person"
It's all fine and good that we have some new rules to keep the peace with other instances but we must fight against 
In retrospect, it's funny how the liberals on lemmy.ml were haughtily saying "This may have been a tankie space once, but we will overwhelm them eventually and make it clear that they aren't welcome here" and then Hexbear comes in and they shit themselves.
they thought the reddit wave would be bigger but it turns out redditors like feeling smug more than actually leaving the corporate walled garden. so they aren't thaaat big and a good % of those who did come here are at least vaguely leftist. That plus hexbear=no more unchallenged "ebil seeseepee" type circlejerks
we have literally spent hours talking about thought terminating cliches, ready to fight them
I AM BRIGADING YOU RIGHT NOW BUCKO. I AM THE ONE MAN BRIGADE
STAHP MODS PLS
Wait till the realization sinks in that this is just the normal, organic amount of engagement they get from us because we're by far the most active lemmy instance
It's extremely weird. Like I'm just commenting on what appears on my all page, how is that brigading? It's literally a feature of the website.
Counterpoint: I'm a huge baby.
Didn't think of that one, did ya, pinko!?
Liberals are used to games with rigged rules ("""International Rules Based Order"""🙄) and when the playing field is level it feels to them like everyone else is suddenly cheating
Literally every dog pile I have seen has been some nerd talking shit, a chapo or 2 posting in good faith, the nerd says something extra stupid... nerd gets dog piled.
you see, when I call you a Chinese bot, or fake Russian names I'm being a very reasonable discussion partner
when you call me out for being a weird racist it's brigading, trolling, 4chan, and the type of behavior that needs to be defederated from
Death to Russia = non-political
Death to NATO = I WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS TYPE OF COMMENT
also weird that one is a country full of people and the other is an aggressive military alliance, If one died a whole lot of normal people would die, plus some war criminals
if Nato died it'd just be dead war criminals
It seems to me that instance has a very evident and festering 
problem, which is incredibly strange for what is supposed to be a pro-trans instance.
They're being tone policed down to 
levels, but they're still spreading the same hateful talking points that prevents the free expression that the admin team supposedly desires.
This is my first time seeing it first hand but it's so obvious and transparent that their liberal well intentioned inclusiveness has already backfired horrifically. When hexbear users confront these tone-adjusted fascists and question their hateful anti-left stance (something the mods and admin team should be doing but lack the spine) they cry and demand defed because their views absolutely can not stand up to any sort of serious analysis.
I will say I would not have seen this without federation. It genuinely makes me appreciate the amazing community thats been cultivated here because it's not easy to challenge, and remove, a polite abuser standing next to you.
If anyone is communicating with their admin team, I think they should be told to wake up because it will only get worse before their community is co-opted and they're the ones being "tolerated." I am being constantly reminded of this https://youtu.be/P55t6eryY3g?t=677
The fact that calling it out plays in to the fascists hands is pretty depressing too.
Reddit, the site that's designed to have as many eyes as possible look at as wide a variety of posts as possible to bring about engagement has rules against the wrong people engaging.
Rule #1: do not be a communist
Pretty much. And don't upvote the wrong things. And definitely don't fuck up their idea of how the algo should work because you post too much.
My favorite thing is when they accuse hexbear of downvote brigading. I've seen it a couple times.
Folks really haven't grasped that federation means it's not "your community" anymore, you're basically a subreddit now, with all the horrors that entails.
Even the reddit admins themselves tried to back away from this. They eventually realised that people sharing links to reddit posts is not a bad thing, and wanted more of it.
The only reason they continued to crack down on it is that there is a historical cultural legacy that was incorrectly fostered around it on the site.
Also because of things like r/cth posing a problem to them
Brigading is a bullshit Redditism. For everywhere else, they're called raids and raids are a reality of Internet life. Even Twitter has a daily main character where people dogpile on someone with a particularly shitty take. If you don't want to deal with raids, you can always join the winning team.
And now the mod of /c/196 is shitting all over Carcosa, just rubbing shit all over Carcosa and our collective faces. This is what happens when you try to pander to bad faith liberals. Why must we collectively give rimjobs to these fucking losers?
I agree. It'll suck if the two instances with the largest trans communities on lemmy defederate, but there seems to be irreconcilable political differences here that will make continued federation impossible.
From what I see, most users on blahaj, especially the 196 community specifically, have swallowed the state department party line hook, line, and sinker. If you literally believe in all of the CIA atrocity propaganda, then you also believe "tankies" are fascists pretending to be leftists. This disagreement is fundamental, and it can not be fixed by any degree of increased civility or politeness.
And from the looks of their discussion thread on continued federation with Hexbear, it's their admin more than anyone else delaying the inevitable defederation, their users are mostly cheering to cut us off. They've given us one week to see how it goes, but I don't feel confident things will change.
When they do end up defederating, I hope the new c/the_dunk_tank rules can be repealed because it seems they've been put in place nearly entirely to appease blahaj.
Its the June 4th Tiannemen thing that gets me. The 1932 famine is complicated. There's plenty of room to just say "look all these reputable historians say terror famine! You can just ignore the tankie historians who say it was complicated. But there's nothing complicated about June 4th. What they think happen didn't happen, it's widely agreed that it didn't happen. I don't even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.
I don't even know who is still spreadying this bullshit.
Every neoliberal thinktank and media outlet. What the historical record says is irrelevant in that context.
What the historical record says is irrelevant in that context.
I'm getting high school level understanding of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact thrown at me as an example of fascist/communist sympathy/equivalence.
Yeah, that shit sucked. Bummed me out.
no more half measures walter
no more half measured water
Brigading shitheads is a duty.
A key part of Reddit being shit is allowing 
to think they represent the "silent majority"
Another part that adds to this notion is that libs generally only encounter crudeness from literal children or right wingers.
They think the real world politics is some West Wing-ian paradise of polite discussions and good faith arguments. Only MAGAs resort to ad hominem, ofc, Donald Trump is bad partly because of bad policies but mainly because he's crude! Good Republicans are polite and also want what's good for the country, they just disagree on methods!
This probably stems from anti-civil rights movements saying the blacks are impolite or crude when demanding basic human decency.
Also historically untrue, on at least one occasion, Abe Lincoln bullied an opponent to tears with ad hominem attacks.
Either way, they fully buy into the scam that politeness and taking the high road will win the day except the part where liberalism has been in decay for decades due to what basically amounts to stomping your feet at conservatives every time they slide into fascism.
And they keep doing it, Sisyphus with the rock, Charlie Brown with the ball, libs with politeness. Guess what? Not disrupting evil in any meaningful way means they get to continue to make things worse and get away with it.
This probably stems from anti-civil rights movements saying the blacks are impolite or crude when demanding basic human decency.
Likely, and even before that. Using clothes, language, hairstyles, accent, pronunciation to separate the "good" people from teh "bad" people goes back to forever. That's a big part of how Hexbear even happened; Verbal vulgarity and insults and cruelty that was appropriate to the lies, deception, and normalization of horror coming from the Democrats. "We're going to talk to you with the level of consideration and politeness you deserve, which is none you fucking monsters".
on at least one occasion, Abe Lincoln bullied an opponent to tears with ad hominem attacks.
This might sound a little 
but in highschool my history class had a facebook group for discussing the politics that came up from the readings and discussions for us to turn into essay bits and junk. We had a conservative weenie in there and while I was very far from being a raging communist or even a socialist the both of us got into it about healthcare laws and other bullshit which eventually just turned into me berating him for just straight up lying about the laws and policies, the fact that he read the entire obamacare law (LOL). Everyone fucking hated all of his shit I got so much praise from everyone in that group, including my future girlfriend. The only time debate was ever tangibly good for me.
That brings back memories of how one of my poli-sci classes back in college usually ended up with me shouting down some reactionary while the professor just did nothing. And I was just a tepid sucdem who read Matt Taibi's tripe back then too lmao.
Everyone knows that any form of dissent is actually brigading, and the more dissent there is, the more you're being brigaded.
The brigading claims get extremely annoying when it's made by someone who just posted something extremely wrong and is now getting corrected by a bunch of people with more knowledge of the facts.
I think there's probably a good argument for not going easy on liberalism, ever, because if the roles were reversed they would not give us any room to grow and they would not hesitate. I think there's probably a fine line between showing no mercy and coming across as toxic and giving them an excuse to defederate so no idea what the right call is tbh 
"We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror."