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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why on Earth would you want there to be?

The total anonymity aspect is seductive. Say anything without it being tied to any one user. Lots of toxic and nasty shit comes out of that, but also some crazy ideas and high concept stuff that might never gain traction because nobody wants to go on record about it.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hear some of the old exploding-heads crew is back as hilariouschaos.com

https://hilariouschaos.com/comment/9332

[–] MagisterSieran@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wow, really? I thought HC was just shitpost garbage.

I've seen some of the posts and they are pretty skeevy

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can make one here that's the entire purpose of fedi.

Anyway, what aspect are you looking for? 4chan is a big place, prolly bigger than fediverse

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also I imagine OP wants 4chan for the users/community and not the format.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

well we got, what we got...

9/10 people can't be bothered to pitch in!

i know y'all mofos got some knowledge and opinions, lurkers.

[–] serendepity@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Lurker checking in to acknowledge my shame. I like that the fediverse has better discourse than reddit and I want to contribute to it. It’s just that I have been a lurker for so long that it’s gonna take some time to start actively engaging.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was you on other platforms. Managed to participate here a lot more.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 year ago

Thank your for the service!

Sometimes the thread is to old for me to comments.

[–] shapesandstuff@feddit.org 1 points 1 year ago

to me the fact that nobody really cares helps.
Sometimes that same fact makes me delete a whole paragraph but when I do post, i don't stress out about it.

[–] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Leave me alone, furiously masturbating in the corner over here.

Hey man, I'm all over the comment sections. I am no content creator, just an armchair critic and pundit. The peanut gallery is important too y'know. :)

Not under any active development

i don't really see the usecase that isn't perfectly covered by lemmy?

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be hard to federate because there are no accounts, nothing to follow

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not so sure that's true though. If you look at a 4chan threads in some boards, you can recognize the individual anonymous' from the ID next to them.

I suspect it's using either a cookie, or the IP address to track a user and while not storing that info, generating an ID hash from perhaps a unique ID for the thread + their details.

No reason you couldn't federate using the same. But, even without that, each post and comment has a post ID and replies would be tracked that way. Just, you'd need to remember which replies were your own.

The home instance could store for a thread some info about posts/comments from an IP or cookie too and highlight them. But that info wouldn't be federated.

I actually don't think it'd be a problem, really. But, is this something missing from our lives? I'm not so sure.

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you post in a thread you get an ID for that thread. When you post in a different thread you get a different id.

The only way i could see it working is following a particular board on an instance. So I might follow the fitness board on the chan.nz instance and id see all threads pop up and I could open them and view the comments just like on lemmy or mastodon. Actually I think that would work.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life -1 points 1 year ago

When you post in a thread you get an ID for that thread. When you post in a different thread you get a different id.

That's what I said. You don't need any ID to federate the messages. If you reply to a comment the nesting is based on the comment/post ID and not the usernames.

You couldn't track a users posts after the fact, and I think that's kinda the point.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 11 points 1 year ago

What exactly about 4chan are you looking for?

How does 4chan's design differ from traditional forums, really? There's less moderation and more anonymity than you might usually expect, but the very nature of ActivityPub means that aspect doesn't really make as much sense in a federated forum.

So do you just want something like Lemmy but without nested comments or upvoting, and only sorting posts by new and comments by old, the way a traditional forum does? For that you might be able to try LemmyBB which is a front-end to Lemmy that says it's supposed to look like phpBB forums. (Unfortunately I can't verify because the two domains its Readme claims run that software are both no longer active.) Or you could try Morum, forum software based not in ActivityPub but Matrix. There are also plugins for non-federated forum software, like Discourse which aim to enable ActivityPub integration with their forums.

Is there some other feature of 4chan that you want to see?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"hexbear is fediverse 4chan!!!"

has the largest weekly trans megathread in the entire fediverse, a supermajority of non-cishet users, aggressively bans racism, bigotry and transphobia on sight, has hard-coded mandatory pronoun tags

Lmao okay, sure bud

[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

4chan has a massive trans community and aggressively racisms and bigotrees on sight. Its the other end of the horseshoe

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok that's not really relevant unless you consider the lgbt community on 4chan to not be extremely bigoted or you consider hexbear to be extremely bigoted.

[–] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

do you consider hexbear to be extremely bigoted? if so, against who?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[–] Fizz@lemmy.nz -1 points 1 year ago

No I don't consider them bigoted hence why I put them on the Otherside of the spectrum

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 year ago

Funhouse mirror version but yeah it is pretty similar, never thought about that.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

What similarities are there, other than the users being exceptionally ornery?

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like someone got bullied for having a bad take and now can't tell the difference between nazis and queers

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If you enjoy dumb takes and edgy politics it's for you. I'm not surprised someone from ml is defending hexbear tbh.

Not to mention your defense is "you got bullied". Sounds like an awesome place, eh.

[–] Brickardo@feddit.nl 5 points 1 year ago

For what it's worth, I am a frequent lurker of hexbear and their users' newspaper archive is wonderful - every politician is full of it and they know it full well.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Willing to bet 'dumb takes' and 'edgy politics' exactly describe the correct moral position in the argument you got bullied over your bad takes. Care to elaborate or just gonna hide in the tall grass of hypotheticals and generalizations?

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I never said I got bullied. That's you telling everyone your experience.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

!greentext@lemmy.ml is about as close as it gets

[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 year ago

One with user blocking and actual moderating of racists/bigots would be interesting

[–] ccx@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I'm fairly sure I've seen an NNTP based imageboard that distributed it's content through that protocol and different instances had overlap of boards. That's about the closest match to federated system you're going to find with this model I think. Interesting concept. Not something I'd want to interact with personally though.