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[-] dactylotheca@suppo.fi 198 points 4 days ago

Any predictions on how long it'll take for conservatives to start outlawing sterilizations for women?

[-] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 117 points 4 days ago

My friend with severe PCOS and who would never be able to be pregnant had the hardest time already trying to get a hysterectomy at 28. Even asked about her future husband being ok with this decision.

So we aren't that far off already.

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[-] rand_alpha19@moist.catsweat.com 53 points 4 days ago

It's exceptionally difficult already for a woman to get sterilized. The decider may be whether sterilization has the same stigma/religious fervor around it that abortion has in that people will willingly waste their weekends off protesting against it.

I'm optimistic, but America likes to disappoint me.

[-] Shou@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

They are already trying to ban contraceptives. Cancer is what they are.

[-] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Honestly it’s so difficult to get done as it is that they don’t even need to outlaw. It’s virtually unobtainable for most women unless they already have “enough” kids, whatever that means to a specific doctor, or they travel to find a willing doctor.

It took me 8 years to get it done because I’ve never reproduced (childfree by choice). And I’m one of the easier stories. I got it done at 27, in 2015, and while some doctors are more willing now, most aren’t. Especially in conservative areas.

All they have to do is keep making doctors scared to offer proper reproductive care, make it risky and they stop going into that field. You don’t need to make it illegal, just impossible. Rich white people will still be able to choose, so they don’t care.

I had to deal with a whole bunch of people asking me hypothetical questions. What if you regret it? (what if I regret having them?), what about your future partner? (If they are right for me they also don’t want kids, and I don’t plan to get married anyway). What if you change your mind? (I will adopt if that happens. I don’t believe sharing my junk genetics is important, and the chances of issues are high anyway since I’m also broken, and there are plenty of not-infant kids who need homes if I get maternal, but kids under 5 aren’t my jam and probably never will be, and I’m probably too negligent to raise them right anyway). Ultimately they couldn’t argue with my logic but it took years of finding the right doctors getting the right consultations, etc.

[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

It's already super hard. I was lucky and found a doctor who understood, but I'm not young. People in their 20s face a whole bunch of bullshit, enough to get in the way and prevent them having the procedure. It's fucked.

[-] frickineh@lemmy.world 28 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's why I hauled ass to the doctor and got a bisalp scheduled asap. I ended up getting them to agree to a hysterectomy this year, which is what I really wanted, but I wasn't willing to take a chance on that not happening. I'm no longer in the young category, but I was only 38 and potentially still fertile (and way more likely to have complications from being "geriatric").

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago

TIHI. Fuck this is coming isn't it.

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[-] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 117 points 4 days ago

The lesbian woman got sterelized in case she gets raped so it doesn't result in pregnancy. That's ... wow.

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 33 points 4 days ago

If you read to the end, the article mentions that the first time Ferst tried to get sterilized (and her old doctor was being difficult) she still had a male partner. I think she's bisexual.

[-] MeatPilot@lemmy.world 89 points 4 days ago

Hard truth for folks to understand is people actually fuck because it's fun and a healthy part of a relationship.

This is what happens when you have no alternatives left to manage accidents and don't want to live like a nun or monk.

[-] abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 4 days ago

Oh they understand people fuck, and the people who want to ban abortion and contraception want people to have kids they didn't want for various reasons.

[-] Shou@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Not just that, it eliminates power and influence from women too. More drop outs, and more discrimination in job interviews.

[-] ours@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

The pill was a huge thing. Women could choose when/if they became pregnant allowing them to have flexibility in their sexual and professional lives.

Conservatives want to take that away as well as breed an army of desperate wage slaves ripe for exploitation.

[-] Shou@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yeah. Control, control and more control. It's no suprise women are getting sterilised.

Not to mention how much of a life saver the pill is for women with dismenorrhea.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 81 points 4 days ago

Dear young men. Get a vasectomy. You don't want to raise children in a doomed future, plus it might do wonders to your dating profile.

[-] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago

I got one a month ago. $200 out of pocket. I feel great. Cheapest $200 I’ve ever spent.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 20 points 4 days ago

The 1% can make their own wage slaves.

[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 4 days ago

Best decision of my life!

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago

Part of the reason why I am getting my daughters citizenship abroad. One day, I hope that day never ever comes, they might need it.

[-] remer@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

How do you plan on doing that?

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

My wife holds dual citizenship and her country has many ex-pats so they have right of return laws.

Next month we have an appointment with the embassy with her country as well as the interviews. I also have them in a class where they are learning the language of her country.

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[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago

The number of young men getting vasectomies also shot up, but men still get sterilized much less often than women.

I got mine in September. I'd kicked the can down the road for years but finally pulled the trigger largely because of Roe being overturned.

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 17 points 4 days ago

I was broke as hell and the vasectomy was going to cost $700.

I finally saved $700, and when I went in they said "shit dawg, you're broke as hell. Here is this program to make it free"

So even if you can't afford it, try reaching out to your local planned parenthood. They know how to navigate the benefit system better then you.

[-] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Hell yeah. I got mine done 5 years ago

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago

The only reason I haven't is because I'm ace, so nothing's happening until I intentionally attempt for kids

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[-] binomialchicken@lemmy.blahaj.zone 47 points 4 days ago

Blows my mind that vasectomies are the less common procedure. Got mine done cheaply many years ago. Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

Partner got tubes done recently (so that insurance couldn't deny her for medically necessary hysterectomy later, what a dumb system we have) and she was miserably bedridden for quite a while, with the scars to prove it. Would have been expensive if she wasn't maxed for out-of-pocket already.

Anyone have a sane explanation?

Super easy, barely an inconvenience.

I get that reference, but also I'd like to support the statement. I've sat on my couch for 2-3 days, frozen peas in my lap and just took it slow. A week later I could barely tell that anything changed.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Toxic masculinity, all my friends that don't want to be convinced have the worst excuses possible but most times it's about not wanting to feel like a lesser man.

[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 14 points 4 days ago

That's so bizare, since I swapped out to unleaded we fuck constantly and not worry about contraception. nothing makes you feel like more of a man than fucking raw dog every chance you get.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago

No offense but your friends sound stupid.

[-] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Lots of people are stupid.

In many ways, our society encourages such stupidity.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Getting your vas deferentia snipped is tight!

[-] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

vas deferential

Maybe you're making a joke I don't get, but otherwise: It's called vas deferens

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[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago

I'd get a second vasectomy if I thought it would help. The first one was super easy.

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[-] redhorsejacket@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

I'm looking to reenter the dating pool in the near future and this has been on my mind, especially in light of Roe and my location in middle America. Would you be willing to share your personal experience with the procedure? Everyone says it's very easy, but I gotta be honest, it makes me nervous.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

I was nervous before mine, but it wasn't bad at all. The worst part was the slight pinch in my balls when they gave me the local anesthetic. It took about fifteen minutes, and I walked out just fine.

I sat on the couch all weekend and watched action movies which was awesome. Ibuprofen was more than enough for the pain, and I was able to do light house work in a couple days.

Get some reviews of doctors in your area, but I would definitely recommend getting one if you don't want any kids.

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[-] Burstar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 days ago

Super easy. I had a post-op infection that prescription antibiotics cleared up np.

Don't consider it easily reversible. The doctors made it clear there's no guarantee

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[-] SleezyDizasta@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

If anybody read the study, which I highly doubt, you'll see that this story is highly exaggerated. The actually study showed the sterilization in women went from 2.83 per 100k people per month before Dobbs to 5.31 per 100k people per month after Dobbs. For men, the increase went from 1.03 per 100k people per month to 1.18 per 100k people per month.

Here's the study for anybody who wants to see it:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2817438

There is a visible increase, but the actual rate is a lot smaller than what this article is attempting to suggest.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago

I didn't read this article, so idk how they spun things, but given the title and the information you shared from the actual study, they sensationalized, not exaggerated. 5.31 is an 87% increase from 2.31, which is a rounding error off 2x. Honestly, in medical/psychological/anthropological/sociological studies the sigmas are never high enough for my comfort as a probabilist anyway.

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[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 10 points 4 days ago

I'd get snipped if I thought for a moment that I'd be seen as sexually desirable ever again.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

From experience you better do it while you're single instead of waiting until you're with someone and having to deal with the stress it will cause them when it becomes official...

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