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Owning a cybertruck is an indication the driver is a Nazi. It was always an indicator of very poor taste, but now it marks you as a Nazi. Don’t bother trying to change my mind. I know it, my cat knows it, the mould in that tupperware I keep putting off opening in the far reaches of my fridge knows it.
No excuses now, and no bumper stickers will dissuade me. It’s been long enough, sell the thing or start sieg heiling.
See, that's what we call an appeal to authority
Yeah. I flip them off every time.
I never flip anyone off. Never honk. Never do much of anything...
But I flip Nazi's off every time.
I too, flip these car/trucks over anytime I see them. They aren't going anywhere upside down.
Very early on, I think there were some well-meaning people who were really excited about it. The idea of an all-electric truck was brand new, and the promise was huge. It unfortunately wasn't until after many Cybertruck preorders had been secured that Elon plainly revealed his true colors, and then after it was delivered that people found out it was a piece of garbage
Idk, the first cyber trucks delivered nov 30 2023.
His takeover of Twitter was 2022, with plenty of bright red flags The "pedo guy" thing was 2019 All of his COVID violations were extremely public in 2020 and 2021
I think you'd have to be living under a rock to be completely unaware of what he was by the time preorders were locked in
It's just a convenient loophole for fascists to pretend they're not fascists.
"Oh no I gave them a fully refundable $100 to pre-order it, guess I'm locked into giving this seig heiling, election interfering, pedophilic elite illegal immigrant $100k."
There's a bunch of defenders in this very thread.
None of those amount to Nazism. You know what does? Throwing out a couple of Hitler salutes. But that didn't happen until later.
Strong disagree. Buying Twitter to amplify the voices of Nazis is pretty straightforwardly an act of a Nazi
Ok, I agree that if musk's objective in buying twitter was to amplify nazi voices, that confirms him as a nazi.
Do you have convincing proof that that was his objective? Convincing enough that some random guy buying a car who "doesn't care about politics" would immediately believe he's a nazi? I don't think so.
He stated his aim was to remove barriers to free speech. People disagree over what speech should be protected as a matter of principle, so our hypothetical buyer may very well have thought that that was a good idea.
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Views_of_Elon_Musk&oldid=1182272283
Though it's worth noting that for all of his claims of supporting free speech broadly, he only ever acted in support of the freedom of certain kinds of speech
Top result for me searching "musk promotes far right accounts" from 2022 https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/115561/documents/HHRG-118-IF16-20230328-SD035.pdf
The point is, this stuff is trivially easy to find
The point is, each additional step adds uncertainty:
In reverse order:
Let me be very clear: it is abundantly obvious that Musk is a Nazi. I am not trying to convince you that he isn't. I'm not trying to convince you that there was no reason to think he was a horrible shitstain in 2023; there absolutely was. But you and others in this thread are conflating convincing evidence with incontrovertible evidence. That's just a failure of empathy; people are unconvinced by convincing evidence all the damn time.
Yeah, true. But we’re like several years past that now. If you could afford one of those sins against the design gods, you could afford to take the L by now.
I bet a lot of the cucks that preordered and bought them are financed to the absolute max and can’t afford to sell it now.
They couldn't tell from the look of the thing? When he first unveiled it, I thought it he was trying to make some sort of joke. Legitimately thought he was trying to prank people! The design is atrocious!
Every time I see one I think, "that's so ugly it's almost cute." I just love janky crap.
Janky can be great if not ‘designed’ by and supporting Nazis.
Love me the 70s Gremlin.
I love it!
Hard to sell them when the only potential buyer market is people you want to avoid at all cost or a used car place that will buy it for an insulting fraction of it's value.
And buying a replacement in this economy? We can judge new buyers all day long, we can judge people with 200k salaries that keep them, but there's lot of folks are stuck with a car that no one will buy; and maybe their situation isn't so great either.mmaybe they got laid off, had to take a big salary cut to keep living, can't afford a new car, and because they can charge the car for free at work they have extra money for food.
No sympathy.
e: do you seriously expect me to care about your bad investment when my car (that I love and baby) is worth less than $5,000? Scrap yards exist. Your bad decision is worth more in parts than my home. And I am currently having to fight to keep my fucking car.
Edit I kind of skimmed the part where you said cyber trucks owners are Nazis. By that I mean, I read it is as Tesla owners are Nazis. Yeah, anyone who bought a Tesla in the last 5 years is probably a piece of garbage human or is an unfortunate result of a failed education. Which also makes selling them for good price a whole lot harder. The bumper stickers are a bandaid people use to make them selves feel a tiny it better, and a little extra hope their tires won't get slashed.
People bought into the marketing hype pre-2020, and it was pretty much the only viable full EV in North America due to the charge network. A lot of people got them with good intentions for the environment.
Most people take out loans to buy new cars. When you sell or scrap a car the loan doesn't go away. If you have 30k left on a loan, scrap the car for 10k - you'll be left with a 20k loan and no car.
Regardless of a car's financial worth, having a functional car is worth a lot more.
What your asking people to do is about as financially crazy as if someone told you to sell your car for $500, spend a thousand into maintance, and then go to buy a new one the leftover cash. In other words - blow a sizable chunk of your own money because the owner of the car company is a shit person. Who does that help? Musk already got his money, reselling the car does jack shit to him and completely fucks over the seller.
They said "no sympathy" pretty clearly
And I say fuck that way of thinking.
It was largely the democratic side of people that pushed for green energy and to stop polluting with gas cars. People listened, found Teslas were a great EV option and now the same people are telling Tesla owners they are Nazis for owning one.
It's getting stabbed in the back by the people you supported because some rich guy is a piece of shit.
And truthfully I don't own a Tesla, its my trans sister that has to deal with harassment and people telling her "they can't accept her as a woman because she's own a Tesla". Fuck them and their exclusive "inclusivity" club.
That’s fucked up. Being anti-Trans is far more unacceptable than being pro-Tesla.
I think an incorrect presumption made is that Tesla owners are always well off enough to replace them with sufficient motivation, rather than having seen it as an investment.
I believe this.
At the same time, they'll get what's coming to them. They bought a shitty cybertruck that will break down and has shitty resell value.
Or at least sieg selling… AMIRIGHT? 😅
I’m really hoping to pick one up cheap and make the monster-truck-DeLorean-time-machine of my dreams reality 🤓 But I’m only going up to $3.50 USD… gotta’ crash the whole CyberShmuck™ economy in the process 🤑
And the Tupperware also got more brain than a cybertruck driver.
I saw a very obviously trans person driving one the other day. Asked them if they were taking themselves to the camps or if they were into it rough.
Rough trade.
this is not an endorsement of Musk or of Tesla or of cybertruck drivers - but this is a Very Online take. My boss' husband drives a cybertruck, he doesn't know what tiktok is, he doesn't know what a meme is nor does he understand them when he sees them (he asks who it's a photo of), the only news he consumes is in regards to logistics and supply chain and a little bit of the stock market.
I imagine he has as much understanding of why people hate elon musk as to I do as to why people love Sidney Crosby and hate Alexander Ovechkin - two people I had never heard of or know nothing about before googling "hockey players people love and hate."
I won't even remember their names in 5 minutes. I imagine a fair amount of cybertruck owners are like that.
God damn they better never give you any responsibility because you're the most gullible person I've ever known. Your boss doesn't want to tell you he's a fascist.
there's no need to make it personal to me, I'm just telling you about a guy I know.
I think its very reasonable in America that one wouldn't be exposed to specific anti-Musk language if one didn't engage with social media or news.
I think this is a case of
You're telling us about a guy you know who you seem to believe.
It isn't reasonable to not engage with any news whatsoever while living in America. And crazy to extend that much benefit of the doubt.
He knows.
I mean you'll have to take my word for it I guess.
I volunteer for an organization that promotes fiction penned by women and minority communities, we have a guy on the board who used to be a software engineer in the 70s–90s before he retired, he doesn't know the first thing about social media. Struggles to remember the name of Facebook which is the only one he's used.
My father in law wrote software for both JPL and government oceanography equipment, and is a big fan of Musk's SpaceX work and vehemently against his political stuff, saying "he needs to dump that political stuff and get back to work!" frequently.
In my experience, people are complicated and immune to a lot of online pigeonholing, no matter how insistent online voices (mine included) are about that - there is a break between online discourse and real life day to day humdrum quotidian lived experience
It's not a "Very Online" take, it's a "paying any modicum of attention" take. Willful ignorance is not a valid excuse for anything, and if your boss truly thinks of Elon Musk (the richest man in the world who has bought elections and media platforms and every American's social security number) the same way that you think of some random hockey player, then your boss is being willfully ignorant. It's giving "i'M nOt pOLiTiCaL", which we all know is just cowardese for "conservative".
I guess that’s fair, though my 89 year old dad who’s also not terminally online knows this, so I have a hard time with excuses now.
Much as it sucks, if I see your boss’s husband driving that crime against fingers, I’m still gonna see him as a Nazi. Maybe someone should tell him, and show him the video.
random people on the street flip him off, and some people have thrown stuff at him. He thinks they're weirdos and it's kinda funny. 🤷♂️
also I'm not going to tell the bosses husband people think he's a nazi. I'm going to take my pay and enjoy my weekends and vacations.
Hey man, you’re under no obligation to tell him, nor to defend him.
So stop defending him.
You understand the situation now. Continuing to stay "stop defending him" means you just want to cling to your black and white categorisation, and don't want to hear anyone question it.
I don't live in the US - very few people here are actual Nazis and cybertrucks aren't road legal. But people are still buying model 3s and Ys.
I wouldn't do that when the CEO has outed himself as a nazi but I'm also not so immature as to think everyone who'll buy a product and ignore the shit the company owner does is a fucking nazi, because that's insane.
Does your boss's husband know what a hitler salute is?
Probably, because they drive a cybertruck.
That seems really odd to me. Generally people do at least a bit of research about a vehicle purchase, especially that expensive. I'm not even referring to Musk shit, just vehicle buying in general. Anyone looking up anything about the cost/value of a cybertruck would pretty quickly get an abundance of info about it being a bad buy without getting into any of the Musk stuff.
I guess if your boss' husband just has the money and liked the look/what it said it'd do, then fair enough. Just seems strange to knowingly buy a lemon.
Have you read or watched a review of the cybertruck? I have, it did not say it was shit.
In fact the main reason I watched was to see whether they addressed the elephant in the room of how it looks like a stretch dumpster. They did not.
The hard-line anti-cybertruck stuff is absolutely not universal, same as the anti-musk stuff.
If he's that out of the loop on news, the poor bastard probably doesn't even realize he dies in a fire locked inside it every time he drives.