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Anyway, please stay safe and don't be afraid to defend yourself.
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Anyone who thinks they stand a chance against drones with a gun hasn't been paying attention to what's happening in Ukraine.
Gonna pew pew a CEO in the back? Sure, guns work for that.
Trying to save your own life against a fast and agile target that needs way less precision than you to be effective and probably never even presents a target? Nah mate, you're fucked.
There are some, handheld firearms that are used as a last-ditch / cheap anti drone solution in Ukraine, by both sides.
Drum roll.....
https://www.armyrecognition.com/news/army-news/2024/analysis-shotguns-emerge-as-a-frontline-defense-against-drones-in-evolving-military-and-security-tactics
Its shotguns.
Because they have a spread of multiple shot pellets instead of a single bullet.
Fucking obviously duh, they've been used to hunt small, evasive birds routinely, everywhere, for like 150+ years.
Hunting a nimble flying object with a sniper rifle is a laughably absurd idea.
This actual post from this woman is so stupid I would have thought it was from a 12 year old whose only experience with guns is from CoD... but nope, its a 50ish(?) year old woman.
Guess she's never hunted birds, and thinks its just the same as hunting deer or hogs or something???
Old people can be stupid too :-)
Shotguns just can’t stop winning
"winning" and my dumb brain..
I heard that guy's a real crack shot.
Also, people seem to be forgetting that shotguns don't only shoot shot or slugs:
https://www.lesslethal.com/products/12-gauge/als12skymi-5-detail
I did not know an actual anti drone, net round existed!
Not especially useful against drones, nor open warfare, there are also less than lethal rubber rounds...
... and a self contained taser round:
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/taser-x12-xrep-a-taser-in-a-shotgun-shell/
I don't know if the xrep is still actually manufactured though.
Oh right! Dragon's breath! Illegal in half the country!
https://www.firequest.com/G12-113.html
People have been basically homebrewing shot gun shells since shotguns have existed. Everything from flachetes, to bolos, to XREP - even idiots that have shoved a shell full of .17 hmr rounds to see what happens. I 100% know that homebrewed anti drone shells exist and range from tying fishing line around pellets, to just launching a rope.
Oh yeah, I was trying to stick to retailed products, but yes, homebrew shotgun rounds have been around for basically as long as shotguns.
Another kind of homebrew shot is coin shot:
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2020/06/17/shooting-pennies-shotgun/
I've heard anecdotally that people have been doing that for quite a while.
Not gonna lie, if she can take a drone out with that I'd be pretty impressed.
Ive heard and seen some images and videos of soliders building their own antidrone ammo. They rip the tip off the casing and heat shrink a coulple of bbs together and crimp them to the casing. I'm not certain how legitimate or effective it is but I've seen several videos and images of it. They recomend staggering the homemade rounds with tracer rounds to help with aiming.
Hah, I suppose that could work!
Reminds me of ratshot .22 rounds.
Maybe somebody will start properly manufacturing basically ratshot 5.56 rounds.
Now here's a thought... What about using drones to "take care of" a CEO? The risk of being caught would be lower, as you can be located hundreds of meters away or more. It's also relatively easy to acquire a drone, and you can make explosives with stuff you can buy at the hardware store.
(Disclaimer: This is just a thought experiment, I'm not dumb enough to try this, don't worry FBI :3)
Drones that weigh 0.55 pounds or more must be registered with the Federal Aviation Administration. If you buy a drone, you're supposed to register it, and that puts the drone and your name into a Federal database.
Every electronic device with networking capability that exists has a "burned-in" MAC address that tells you info on the manufacturer, etc. This coupled with the drones serial number can narrow down specifically which device it was and allow law enforcement to figure out which specific store sold this specific drone. Then they hit the store with a warrant for the customers, match up the drone to a name, and go.
Communications with commercially available drones are generally unencrypted and easily intercepted. Triangulation of the source of the controlling unit would be trivial.
It's sooooo fucking easy to find someone who is using a drone if you're serious about it. It just takes law enforcement being serious about it. Also, there's a good chance that since you have to register it with the FAA that any crime committed with it would be considered a Federal crime.
You don't have to register it with the FAA; you're already going to murder someone, who cares if you break a few more laws?
The last point assumes someone's recording the wireless activity of the drone in the moments before the explosion, which I think is pretty unlikely. And the internals of the drone should be destroyed by the explosion, rendering it practically impossible to extract any identifying information other than the general drone model.
And even if all wireless traffic is being recorded and triangulated, pick a busy place and you're just one guy on your phone in a crowd of thousands. You can also order the drone anonymously months ahead of time and pick it up somewhere with poor security camera coverage to all but ensure there's no record linking it to you.
Also you can, like, buy the drone with cash? So no traces there?
Buy used and pay cash, although the previous owner of the drone will almost certainly be questioned.
True, though you'll probably be recorded by security cameras if you buy it in a physical store.
Register with the FAA? Lmao
Yes, yes. Let's also register our crime gun before we do the crimes with it.
You'd have to be looking for it while the drone was being operated, so you would have to either monitor all the time or be tipped off that someone was coming to get you. This isn't really a good deterrent to drone-based assassination.
Also, drones are trivial to build on your own these days. With a few months of extremely basic electronics education, a pile of off-the-shelf components and a little iteration you can have your own "ghost" drone that you can control via RF, cell towers from a modem you put onboard, bluetooth, line-of-sight-laser or whatever. The weapons on it are a different story, but people have been improvising ways to off each other forever. It's kind of what humans do best.
Now that Ukraine has made it clear that drones are "arms," the anti-gun-registration 2nd Amendment people are gonna get right on that, right?
...right?
Drones are like Obi-Wan, they always have the high ground.
just do a 360 noscope you noob
Oh my god your so edgy!
you're**
They hear the word drone and think of those little remote control camera drones you can buy at Walmart/Target and not, like, a Predator.
We never see successful drone interceptions but that doesn't mean they don't happen. Not the kind of odds I'd like to take, though.