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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 98 points 1 month ago

What a complete lack of basic science education does to a mfer

Politicians are like we need to compete with China meanwhile our people are over here like "one bird flu smoothie please"

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 54 points 1 month ago

Politicians are like we need to compete with China meanwhile our people are over here like "one bird flu smoothie please"

Oh, man - did that make me laugh! But then I actually sighed. Fuck.

[-] Gay_Tomato@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

Site tagline material right here. stalin-point

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 73 points 1 month ago

Might be a great time to stock up on N95s

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 49 points 1 month ago

And canned food.

Hope you have a bidet this time.

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[-] Blep@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

I admire your optimism

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[-] nightshade@hexbear.net 64 points 1 month ago

(Not so) fun fact, there are several US states which prohibit the direct sale of unpasteurized milk, but allow the owner to drink milk from the cow, so they exploit the loophole by having buyers purchase a fractional share of the cow so that they can drink the milk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herdshare

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 51 points 1 month ago

fitting since fractional ownership is one of the key technologies needed for capitalism

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago

I had no idea. That's fucking awful.

[-] EstraDoll@hexbear.net 62 points 1 month ago

by far one of the worst parts about living in the United States is that you're surrounded by these people every goddamn day

[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 57 points 1 month ago

It's just that little bit worse when you remember that cows with H5N1 produce weirdly thick and yellow milk kombucha-disgust

[-] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

weirdly thick and yellow milk

That's the extra yummy mucus.

[-] Pentacat@hexbear.net 33 points 1 month ago

In the States, they can charge extra for that.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 54 points 1 month ago

Gentle folk of Hexbear, I suggest investing in canned goods and shotguns over the short term

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 48 points 1 month ago

Can openers are much easier to use.

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

But not as much fun

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[-] itappearsthat@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

why waste space with canned goods when you can have an astonishingly large tub of dried beans instead

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[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 53 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is there a place I can find a straightforward summary of the characteristics of this virus? Or is a lot of data collection being stalled by the CDC thus far?

Edit: Why the fuck are we not doing wastewater data? The fatality rate in humans is 60% but with a huge fucking asterisk that milder cases probably aren’t being counted? What fucking use is that? So the fatality rate is “somewhere between 0 and 60 percent and who the fuck knows?”

[-] utopologist@hexbear.net 62 points 1 month ago

It's truly astonishing how the biggest takeaway from COVID rocking the US was that we just don't do public health as a concept anymore

[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 52 points 1 month ago

To avoid a panic. The CDC specifically told scientists that had developed wastewater tests for H5N1 not to start testing.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 43 points 1 month ago

If we stop testing, we have very few cases trump-anguish

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[-] Teekeeus@hexbear.net 48 points 1 month ago

China and Russia don't even need to do anything if plagues are gonna bring the empire to its kneessit-back-and-enjoy

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 23 points 1 month ago

I get the joke, but talking more seriously, a pandemic disease outbreak anywhere in the world is a threat to all. I doubt it could be contained within one country.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 month ago

I doubt it could be contained within one country.

Definiely not if that country is USA

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[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 44 points 1 month ago

Y'know I always thought Nurgle was the chaos god with the worst offer but I guess there are more plague enthusiasts than I thought.

[-] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 42 points 1 month ago
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[-] edge@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago

Other raw milk drinkers, such as Peg Coleman, a medical microbiologist who runs Coleman Scientific Consulting, a Groton, N.Y.-based food safety consulting company, claimed the government’s warnings have no basis in reality.

How did this person get a degree?

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago

Oh hey, I looked into this one when one of my friend's aunts went on about raw milk.

So basically, she's done research on the microbiota of raw vs pasteurised milk and concluded the beneficial bacteria of raw milk can outweigh the risks for non-immunocompromised people. People can still get pasteurised if they wish. Another argument is that products with a higher fatality rate are still legal.

However, the flaws in her research don't account for are this:

  • If huge corporations are allowed to simply not sterilise their milk, they will do so, meaning raw will be the cheaper product and therefore more likely to be purchased by the average person, who may or may not understand the risks involved. A struggling family doing their groceries will choose the cheaper milk and possibly put their elderly/infant family members at risk.

  • Her research is done with samples of raw milk that are a lot more controlled. The difference in risks between a sample of milk from a healthy cow directly into a sterile vessel into a lab environment is vastly different to milk produced en masse under capitalism, where cows are crowded together in battery farms, fed with the cheapest grains available, and milked with the same equipment that's milked a thousand other cows, and all the milk is pooled together where it's impossible to separate "safer" raw milk and contaminated milk from sick cows are then to be cooled and bottled. Her research simply does not account for the corners that will definitely be cut in an industrial capitalist scale

  • Dying from alcohol poisoning because you drank perfectly legal 180 proof alcohol is different to dying from H5N1 milk because alcohol poisoning isn't contagious.

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[-] Llituro@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago

imagine if you will, the richest society on earth. now imagine it's so sick that citizens voluntarily try to give themselves novel avian flus.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 39 points 1 month ago

jesus fucking christ

[-] Hexphoenix@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago

What is it with people named McAfee being absolutely unhinged

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 month ago

Angloids will literally line themselves up to het infected with the Black Death when cases od that start to inevitably reappear.

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago
[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

I'm starting to actually buy into the theory that some nefarious actor is actually doing the whole "let's tell them not to stick their heads in bags and they'll do it reflexsively"

Is it really a coincidence we constantly arrive at the dumbest possible position this consistently?

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

I swear we made a joke about this a few days ago, hogs really are hopeless

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[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 34 points 1 month ago

reinventing vaccination but shittier

[-] Maoo@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

H5N1 has a roughly 50% mortality rate in known cases for humans. It's probably an overestimate but we shouldn't assume it's way off.

So half that would get it from milk die and half would be "immune" for a while lol. Though maybe not even immune to whatever variant might become effective at human-human transmission.

[-] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

They're picturing milk straight from a happy, grazing cow earlier that morning, that's been put in a bottle and refrigerated till they purchase it, diseases are freak accidents. Obviously the wise old farmer wearing overalls with a piece of straw hanging from his mouth wouldn't sell you the milk if the cow seemed sick, right?

The reality would be thousands of cows in cages being milked with the same equipment as every other cow, sick or otherwise, and all the milk gets pooled together and bottled and possibly spends 2-3 days in transit.

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

"Raw milk"??

i too wish to shit out my insides on an hourly basis, fucking bloodmouths are hopeless

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[-] HiImThomasPynchon@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

Yeah that worked out so well for the British dairy industry in WWI

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 month ago

Praise be to Papa Nurgle! He loves all his children and wishes only to spread his filthy blessing to all!

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago

Is raw milk just unpasteurised or is there more to it?

[-] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

Just this, yes.

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[-] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

Goddamn we live in a neat timeline

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

Okay, but at least they're talking in terms that would make sense with a sophmoric knowledge of immunology, not flat denial. I'm trying to pull out the positives here.

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

Eh, they've always used whatever was around and convenient to reinforce or spread their delusions. There's plenty to cherry-pick out of science to backup basically whatever you want, so long as you ignore the rest of science that doesn't fit your narrative or is even just less convenient. Their (mis)use of scientific terms and phrasing isn't new, and if anything needs to be criticized more than the straight-up batshit antiscience imo.

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