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World Bank’s climate plan: Pricier red meat and dairy, cheaper chicken and veggies (www.politico.eu)

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“We have to stop destroying the planet as we feed ourselves,” a World Bank official said, as red meat and dairy drive CO2 emissions.

Cows and milk are out, chicken and broccoli are in — if the World Bank has its way, that is.

In a new paper, the international financial lender suggests repurposing the billions rich countries spend to boost CO2-rich products like red meat and dairy for more climate-friendly options like poultry, fruits and vegetables. It's one of the most cost-effective ways to save the planet from climate change, the bank argues.

The politically touchy recommendation — sure to make certain conservatives and European countries apoplectic — is one of several suggestions the World Bank offers to cut climate-harming pollution from the agricultural and food sectors, which are responsible for nearly a third of global greenhouse gas emissions.

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The paper comes at a diplomatically strategic moment, as countries signed on to the Paris Agreement — the global pact calling to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius — prepare to update their climate plans by late 2025.

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[-] Ekybio@lemmy.world 74 points 6 months ago

I cant wait for some conservative idiot to spin this in the worst possible way. Mixed in with some lies, whataubout-isms and straw-mans for a delicious disinformation-coktail!

[-] mynachmadarch@kbin.social 47 points 6 months ago

Florida has already started the "they're coming for our meat" with the lab grown meat ban if you haven't seen.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

In Europe soy milk can't legally be called milk anymore. It's Soy Drink on the packaging. The farmers won that one. Now they're coming after vegi burgers allowed to be called burgers.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 6 months ago

My arguments to "if it's not from an animal or isn't milk" are:

What do you call the white liquid inside a coconut?
What do you call the laxative/antacid that comes in a blue bottle?

[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 months ago

Coconut drink
Drink of magnesia

It's just that simple!

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Magnesia Julius. Just add nutmeg.

[-] tektite@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago

That's coconut water. Coconut milk is made of processed meat!

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[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 10 points 6 months ago

They won't win burger or sausage or anything like that. You can already put what you want in those, breadcrumbs, vegetable protein, fruits and vegetables, various flavours and spices, and it's still a burger/sausage.

The milk I get. Milk was highly controlled in terms of what adultrants were allowed, so when they say "we can't even add extra aspartame, but they can make the whole thing out of oats?" They get a lot of traction. Now why they wanted to add aspartame I don't have a fucking clue.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/03/06/173618723/can-milk-sweetened-with-aspartame-still-be-called-milk

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

milk-like plant juices or saps have been called milk since 1200. such as milk of magnesia, milk of almond

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[-] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 6 months ago

Stuff like this is so silly. I understand having rules around how things are named, nobody wants to be misled about what they're buying. But were cow juice enthusiasts really getting tricked into buying soy juice? Do we have to specify the animal? Can I sell rat milk as 'milk' and they'd be ok? What's the difference between that and oat milk? So long as the origin of the milk is clear I really don't see the issue.

Obviously I know it's just dairy industry deep pockets doing what they can to remain #1 but it's just so silly.

[-] Hacksaw@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago

Well it was originally designed to stop the dairy industry from putting weird stuff in milk, so there definitely a need because they kept trying to put weird stuff in it.

[-] Nachorella@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 6 months ago

That part I understand, no more formaldehyde and brains in the milk. It's more the industry fighting against the term being used for alternative milks which should have their own standards associated with them. Coconut milk and cream have existed for ages and nobody cares. But my (dairy farmer) family all of a sudden have really strong opinions on using the term milk for alternative milks. Or other generic terms being used for vegan products like mince, sausage, burger, steak. All of these things typically have a word in front to describe what they're made of, but for some reason certain people get real worked up when that word is 'vegetable'.

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[-] 3volver@lemmy.world 48 points 6 months ago

I agree, let's end subsidies for the industries that are fucking up the climate. Fuck all the weak snowflakes who don't want to change their meat consumption. How hard is it to not eat beef? Not hard, people are just weak. So hit them in the wallet then, if that's what it takes.

[-] evranch@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago

Even as a rancher (native prairie, low input) I agree beef is way too cheap. Well, it was, now it's starting to be more appropriately priced.

Considering everything from the labour involved in raising it ethically to the nutritional value, the consumer pays very little for beef for what they're getting. Even if it means people eat less beef, the price should go up. It would also favour small farmers like me who would rather raise less cows sustainably on grass than overgraze chasing high volume sales.

[-] Th4tGuyII@kbin.social 45 points 6 months ago

Honestly, it makes sense. Something's gotta give or we're all fucked. We should already be eating less red meat and dairy anyway since they're less healthy than white meat and milk alternatives - adding the economic incentive would be a push in the right direction to be healthier and more eco-friendly.

[-] Teppichbrand@feddit.de 19 points 6 months ago

Beans, chickpeas and lentils are my favorite daily superfoods. So cheap, so tasty, so healthy. Meat is so far in the rearview mirror I don't even understand the concept anymore.

[-] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 9 points 6 months ago

Care to share a favorite recipe or two? I've been meaning to step up my legume game for a minute.

Thanks in advance, but also no presh! 🤙

[-] Teppichbrand@feddit.de 7 points 6 months ago

This is not my native language and I'm too lazy to translate whole recipies, so here are just a few tips:

Cook yellow lentils with vegetable stock to make a creamy sauce, add more stuff and seasoning to taste
Red lentils stay a bit harder and replace minced meat very well
Brown lentils with smoked tofu, leek, potatoes, celery and carrots make a great German lentil soup
Find a recipe for bean chili
Look for potato and pumpkin-curry
Throw lentils and chickpeas or beans into tomato sauces and see what you like. There are no rules, I put beans or lentils in every meal!
Make a fresh salad and toss in cold pasta and beans for a real meal

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Black bean tacos. Whatever you do with beef, use a can of black beans instead

[-] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I tried putting black beans on my grill but they fell through the gaps. Help?

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[-] Carrolade@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago

may be turned into a culture war battle

May be? Bit optimistic, don't you think?

[-] rusticus@lemm.ee 28 points 6 months ago

How about a carbon tax?

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

Everything should have a carbon tax. Someone once told me, "but who would pay for that tax?" Implying that we will be the ones to pay it. Thats the freaking idea.

[-] Naz@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago

The rich have problems paying just their regular owed taxes, nothing even exceptional; they draft legislation to lower their own tax rates while keeping taxes on labor the same.

Why is capital gains taxed at a lower rate than income? Is sitting on a pile of money and watching it grow somehow more noble than sweating and hard work?

I think a carbon tax is necessary but I think getting the responsible parties in our industrial world to actually pay it, would be extremely difficult. You'd never see such bipartisan cooperation in various governments until someone threatens the subsidies for the liquid black gold.

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[-] pineapple_pizza@lemmy.dexlit.xyz 21 points 6 months ago

As a bonus it's much healthier. Win win. Though a large portion of the population won't see it that way.

[-] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

No subsidies for anything actively harming the environment.

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[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 17 points 6 months ago

Sounds good to me, I love chicken and veggies!

[-] grysbok@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 6 months ago

Same! Well, TBH chicken often tastes gross to me (grew up with a parent that thought 'boil it in maybe-salted water' was the way to go). But there's plenty of non-beef options! Tofu, turkey, textured vegetable protein, it's all good. (TVP's great for things like sauces, where you just need the texture of ground beef, but the other flavors would drown it out anyway). Even a peanut butter and jelly sandwich makes for an easy work lunches.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Ground turkey is actually a surprisingly good ground beef substitute in a number of dishes.

[-] 0110010001100010@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

We use ground turkey almost all the time over ground beef. It's great in chili, tacos, meat sauce, lasagna, etc. The only time I use ground beef anymore is when I get it free from my folks (they always support a local 4h kid and purchase part of a cow).

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[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 months ago

Grilled, baked, and fried are all good ways to try chicken but boiled? Damn, no thanks.

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[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

TBH chicken often tastes gross to me (grew up with a parent that thought 'boil it in maybe-salted water' was the way to go).

Funny, this is why most people hate veggies

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 17 points 6 months ago

Dinosaurs back on the menu boyz

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[-] coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 15 points 6 months ago

Crazy how enthusiastic everyone here is about some rich guy telling us what we are allowed to eat.

He probably flies private and eats a steak every day.

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[-] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 14 points 6 months ago

Meat and dairy should be way more expensive in general

[-] wafflez@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

It is it's just paid with tax dollars in many countries

[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 months ago

"red meat"

What does this expression even means nowadays?

Beef should be expensive. It should return to what it was thirty or forty back: a luxury item. Nobody needs to eat a steak every day.

But is pork still - or again? - red meat? It had been disqualified as such some time back.

Bring on cheaper vegetables, please. I'm seeing cabbage peak at €2,19. Poultry is on average €2,29, peak on the €2,69. It's borderline as expensive to make a pot of quality soup than to make a roast chicken.

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[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

How about heavily carbon taxing the rich cunts, hmm?

You know, instead of another bullshit scheme to offset the responsibility of climate change to the majority of the population with the least control over it?

[-] bestagon@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

The problem with that is the rich still get to enjoy it and the rich live in excess. It would make more sense although logistically nonsensical to keep the price the same but only the poorest are allowed access to it

[-] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Why would that make any more sense?

[-] Larry@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

It wouldn't make sense because, as you've pointed out, it would be nonsensical

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[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Lately it has been reversed.. Chicken prices have been more than pork.. Even on the chicken quarters I normally get. I'm hoping once lab grown is scaled that we'll be able to get steaks cheap.

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[-] stirner@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

Or just fight back against private jet overusage and giants like Exxon?

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