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[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 69 points 8 months ago

"Hitlerite hentai board" is the best 4chan descriptor I have ever heard, bar none order-of-lenin

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 39 points 8 months ago

4chan was born because hentai was banned on Something Awful, after all.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago

The one good thing Lowtax ever did big-cool

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago

Oh, I can think of at least one other.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

Getting punched in the face by Uwe Boll?

[-] Angel@hexbear.net 66 points 8 months ago

"Ok so imagine if The West was a big column and whenever someone uses a pronoun it gets older"

"it"

[-] Leon_Frotsky@hexbear.net 50 points 8 months ago

oooaaaaaaauhhh nooooooooooooooo, the column just got two weeks older nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 64 points 8 months ago

hitler-detector Tweet aside, that's some bomb-ass graphic design for such an old book series.

[-] BountifulEggnog@hexbear.net 55 points 8 months ago

Interesting. Now explain what was happening in book 6 of the rise and fall of the Roman empire and how it's applicable to the current state of the world. Or else :wall:

[-] SSJ2Marx@hexbear.net 59 points 8 months ago

morshupls Well you see the Romans passed a grain subsidy in 123 BC which directly caused the Empire to fall 900 years later, and that's why we need to get rid of all forms of welfare!

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 42 points 8 months ago

It's especially weird to talk about the fall of "the west" and compare it to the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire was a state. The west is more of a concept. How is a concept going to fall?

[-] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago

White people losing the hegemony necessary to enforce their will on the rest of humanity and not being able to take it out on queer people or the lessers they look down upon at home is precisely "the fall of "Western society".

Those Western values™ they proclaim as noble are roundabout ways of maintaining this status.

Freedom of speech:just look at how few fucks those same crybabies give about people being arrested or losing college enrollment / employment for protesting a fucking genocide. Yet they'll throw a hissy fit about "the freedom of speech" whenever some right-wing scumbag gets their post removed or allegations of sexual misconduct come up. Meanwhile, the wealthy control not only the publications, but also the algorithms that govern communication amongst their peers...to no protest.

Christianity:merely a tool to lend moral credibility towards shaming queer people and muslims and stifling women's self-determination in relationships and within the family structure. Christ would be treated with shame and indignation by Christians were he around today.

The Nuclear Family:upheld as a means of preventing economic lessers from encroaching on their power. Erecting barries to communal child-rearing structures ensures that only those with a base level of wealth can receive proper attention, nourishment, education, and supervision, rather than pooling resources. Not to mention the leverage this gives men over women. Some of these people probably do love their family, but from my experience, most of these types that aren't absent in their children's lives are extremely controlling or abusive.

Democracy:an important mechanism to placate the masses by reassuring them that they have any semblance of power whatsoever. Nevermind that lines are drawn and policies instituted to systematically disenfranchise the poor, racial minorities, and young people, because the wealthy will flood the airwaves with 24/7 negative coverage if anything came close to usurping a small bit of power from them. Choosing between two bourgeois compradors is just legitimate enough of a farce to provide an escape valve on revolutionary pressure.

Rule of law:Selective enforcement, selective patrolling, selective sentencing, and selective deliberation massively outweigh the letter and spirit of the law. This isn't even considering things like bail, fines, access to legal council, or the availability of legal opportunities to advance economically. A boot on the neck of the oppressed.

Property rights:Do I even need to explain this one?

Each and every "Western value" is simply a well-veiled proxy for the preservation of the status of the in-group.

The West worshipers are absolutely correct that their so-called values are in decline. But had they actually cared about those values outside of being a proxy for hegemony, they would notice that virtually all of them are better embodied in both spirit and practice by non-Western powers.

China has stronger rights of the accused, a guarantee to two criminal trials, no extrajudicial executions, damn near universal home ownership, and has better preserved their cultural traditions than the US or Europe. Westerners were too busy circlejerking about Chinese posters having some internet posts removed to notice that they are less free in almost every practical way than their Chinese counterparts: incarceration, democratic power, financial freedom, freedom to get an education, freedom from discrimination, freedom of opportunity, and the freedom to fail...all favor the Chinese. I will concede, you are less free to dominate, hurt, and exploit others...which is the truest Western value.

[-] IzyaKatzmann@hexbear.net 20 points 8 months ago

I'm sure revisionists will have a semi-coherent explanation in the coming years. I would like to see what becomes the de facto explanation, I'm hedging my bets on cUlTuRe or eQuAlItY

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 8 months ago

It ties directly in to how many, many socieities that were once in the Roman sphere still hold up Rome and their supposed role as inheritors of rome as a fetische of legitimacy and civilized-ness. In like 1915 a Kaiser and a Tsar, both evolutions of Caesar, were going to war with each other in Europe. Neither was from a culture that spoke Latin or any other romance language.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 33 points 8 months ago

Rome killed a fuck ton of westerners. Caesar probably committed what we'd call a genocide in Gaul. Of course a brain titan likemelon-musk thinks Rome was some kind of beacon of western civilization. He's dumb enough to fall for propaganda that's thoroughly debunked for centuries. "Yikes" indeed.

[-] Leon_Frotsky@hexbear.net 22 points 8 months ago

critical support to Julius Caesar for his antifra activism france-cool

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago

Shouting "'Hon Hon Hon' this, motherfucker" as I hurl a pilum into the torso of what would one day become a Frenchman.

[-] Leon_Frotsky@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

twitter post dated to 55BC of some roman with SPQR in his username going "bar-bar speaking gauls about to learn why we haven't abolished slavery" [video of some gaulish children throwing rocks at a testudo formation and immediately being killed afterwards]

[-] highalectical@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 8 months ago

Nothing represents the values of western civilization better than going to far away lands and genociding the people there.

[-] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago

These losers sitting here citing Gibbon. At least be more fun and interesting in your reaction and use Spengler.

[-] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago

rather telling that these idiots fetishize a slave empire

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 18 points 8 months ago

Aight but what exactly are you going to do to reverse hundreds of years of bad decisions? These people want you to believe that if you fix a few problems here and there you can really turn things around instead of the obviously correct choice that sometimes you really have to push forward into a new state of things. The idea that you can return is dumb suck off me.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago

Gotta say though, that is a really neat motif for the spines.

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

The Decline of Western Civilization is a good documentary, but I don't know what early 80s punk has to do with the Roman Empire.

[-] adultswim_antifa@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago
[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

So if it's anything like Rome, the east will last another thousand years?

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

Nothing is a red flag that you’re dealing with a charlatan with a superficial grasp of history like someone making a “current events are analogous to the fall of the Roman Empire” argument.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

Isn't that one of Parentis arguments?

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 6 points 8 months ago

Not sure. Mind you, red flags don’t always translate to bad take, but for every decently thought out end of WRE analogy there’s dozens upon dozens of shit ones.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 months ago
[-] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 8 months ago

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[-] ChaosMaterialist@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

Ok I was curious about what Volume 6 contained, and oh my god it is the motherfucking C R U S A D E S!! We're talking the Eastern Roman Empire history. Of course it would be, because a serious scholar would see the East as a continuation of Rome proper. But chuds have no fucking clue and think Rome's sacking was the end of the empire!

[-] frippa@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago

The Roman empire was Hamas, they literally had an Arab emperor (!)

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 3 points 8 months ago

There’s a strong argument to be made that the most Rome-like state in the early medieval era was the Caliphate

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