And are they pro-gun where it’s on the side or do they talk about being all supportive while prioritizing it over healthcare and actually well supported and well researched economic policy? I think guns are neat and used to have my license but I’d never put them ahead of literally any issue. Progun politicians don’t build better societies or respect people’s basic human rights.

Kinda sick of the “I care about human rights up until they affect my ability to own a firearm” group. They’re just tiresome.

I'd describe myself as fairly liberal. I'm from Vermont and I am pretty bummed that neither Howard Dean nor Bernie Sanders got to be president. I've voted D in every presidential and congressional election for the last twenty years.

A couple elections ago I was doing non-partisan voter registration, just standing out in front of a big box store asking people to register to vote. It felt great because I got the feeling that I was directly helping, and even if I was registering some people who would go on to vote R, I actually believe that the more voters there are, the healthier the democracy.

I asked one young guy to register and he asked me "Do you believe in the right to keep and bear arms?"

And I thought about how the marjority of gun deaths in any given year are suicides and how we have an absolutely unacceptable number of mass shootings in this country, and how by all that is reasonable that we ought to be able to do something about it.

And then I thought about my uncles who hunt white tail deer to help control the population, and my friend who is a self-employed gem cutter and who has been robbed and who now owns a pistol for self defense.

And in all honestly, I said "Yes," though on the inside I thought "...but probably not in the exact same way that you do," and that young guy registered to vote.

And honestly, I consider that a win.

I'm very liberal and own several guns and I 100% think most people shouldn't own guns because they are not responsible enough for them.

I want them to repeal the NFA, along with many of the other laws designed to disarm the poor, and people of color. And in general getting rid of a lot of the laws that do virtually nothing to affect criminals.

No but you don't understand -- fixing the "children die in schools" part would be inconvenient for gun owners. They'd have to do things like "wait longer for a gun" or "prove they know how to handle and store firearms" and ultimately, isn't that a bigger tragedy than the murder of someone else's kids?

Yup. If you're "pro-gun" in the same sense as republicans then you're pro-death-of-children-and-other-innocent-people

Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.

• Karl Marx

You don't have to go particularly far.

Just stop having a hard-on for the cops and suddenly guns regain a lot of their appeal

I'm not sure you're correct. If you're from a European country, chances are you have very good gun laws, and a lot of people in your country own guns. The difference is, you also a have working healthcare system that helps people with psychological problems.

I live in Sweden. Most people would assume there are no guns here, but I can tell you that's wrong.

I train with them a lot, so if and when I need to, I can safely use them.

Here's the real problem. Guns are basically dangerous tools, and should be treated as such. Instead, they have a cult of personality. I've got no problem with people owning knives and hammers, but if some dude has a bunch of pro-knife, and pro-hammer stickers on his car, joins the knife and hammer Association of America, regularly shows up to angrily protest restrictions on where you can carry knives and hammers, walks around with a concealed knife and hammer at the mall because a box or nail could be around any corner... I might start to think that nut job should not be allowed to have a knife or a hammer.

Most liberals, or most American liberals?

Sounded good on paper but those workers kept their guns and still gave the government and capitalists everything they wanted without a single shot fired.

All you're doing is posting a picture of Marx with an example of him being wrong.

I'm pro-do-whatever-the-fuck-you-want-as-long-as-it-doesnt-harm-or-negatively-affect-anyone-else

Yeah I'm a gun enthusiast. I really like the laws the way they are now as they relate to me. So I get it. But how many mass shootings do we need before we admit there's a problem right now? Maybe far in the future we can consider relaxing some of the regulations again. But right now, something about the current social situation is basically creating domestic terrorists. We need to start locking things down until it stops.

Meanwhile, liberal groups after asking about 18 issues: “Are you vegan?” “No.” “Well, I BET you voted for TRUMP!!”

No shortage of carnivore liberals.

But I'll never understand why declining to eat meat upsets people so much.

Oh it's piss easy to get a Gun in Canada... You just have drive down to the States.

Seriously though around 70 percent of guns used in criminal activities up here are traced back to sources in the States and were never legally imported, purchased or even stolen from homes inside Canada. When people point at us and say "Gun control doesn't work see!?" it's in part because gun trash bleeds over boarders.