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[-] zifnab25@hexbear.net 67 points 6 months ago

Saying What Can't Be Said: Israel Has Been Defeated – a Total Defeat

The war's aims won't be achieved, the hostages won't be returned through military pressure, security won't be restored and Israel's international ostracism won't end

I want to believe this is a 1980s South Africa moment. But for all the "wha! wha! Our international reputation!" I simply won't hold my breath waiting for the 30,000 dead Palestinians and 1.4M refugees to enjoy any kind of retribution.

The killing hasn't even stopped yet. The famine drags on. All the Israelis seem to care about is their next-quarter GDP figures. But for Gaza it is so much fucking worse.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Where do you think ex-Israelis and the fake jewish boers will go to if another apartheid regime falls? I see white people constantly go on about how North Korea is an epic ethnostate. Maybe they'll try to flee there and get shot in the process

[-] BakedBeanEnjoyer@hexbear.net 10 points 6 months ago

Realistically, probably America or other friendly European states.

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Probably back to where they're from, whatever country is on their other passport.

[-] zed_proclaimer@hexbear.net 7 points 6 months ago
[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I don't know, I don't care, but I'll tell you this:

If the Haitian revolution gets a repeat, I will be 'tending to my own.

Actions have consequences. Wherever and whatever happens to the Israelis they have no one- not Iran, not America, not hitler- no one else to blame but themselves.

The only people that could've stopped this was them, because they caused it.

[-] Greenleaf@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I desperately want to believe this will be like apartheid South Africa too; but not only does the Zionist entity seem to be much more committed to their project than white South Africans, the pressure from the outside just isn’t there yet.

Obviously the US and much of Europe will never boycott Israel. I think if the Global South made a unified effort then maybe that would work. But tbh, with much of the Global South we’re just seeing strongly worded diplomatic censures but no real material action. Not yet at least.

[-] WaterBear@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago

not only does the Zionist entity seem to be much more committed to their project than white South Africans

Touch grass, this is a really marginalizing comment which ignores the experience of South African people during more than a hundred years.

I don't get why there is the need to create this hierarchy of badness, especially without investigation.

This is like a: "Britta: I can excuse racism moment"

[-] ButtBidet@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

I don't get why there is the need to create this hierarchy of badness

That's not what I understood when I read the comment.

[-] Vncredleader@hexbear.net 0 points 6 months ago

Yeah I read that as saying that Afrikaners had britain and the netherlands and israel to go back to, but Israel has propagandized itself into believing they have no place to go. It is total domination or death to them.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 51 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

he-admit-it

Yet another western "world's-greatest-military" owned by what is allegedly just a bunch of untrained rebels with AKs. Rip bozo.

They're trying to scapegoat Netanyahu though, very normal. Netanyahu shuts down Haaretz???

[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 49 points 6 months ago

trying to scapegoat Netanyahu though

I've already seen reddit-logo hasbara trying to differentiate between "Israel under Netanyahu" as if the entire project isn't bad, it's just the heckin smol bean prime minister doing the bad stuff

[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yeah it's not that the majority of the population are ravenous ghouls, it's just Israeli Trump making everything shitty.

[-] someone@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

Great man theory and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 9 points 6 months ago

Refusing to know even the smallest amount of very recennt history isn't helping.

[-] cricbuzz@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

Ya isn't the obvious rebuttal to that claim those polls that overhelming show israelis want the genocide to keep going, even harder in some cases? I don't have a link to it that I can find but I believe that was the general sentiment.

There isn't some overwhelming support for a ceasefire among israeli's, in other words

[-] Afterthought_C@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago

The poll from Tel Aviv University. It was previously posted on one of the weekly news posts.
https://social-sciences.tau.ac.il/sites/socsci.tau.ac.il/files/media_server/social/2023/Findings-November-2023-EN.pdf

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

It's so that, whenever it gets bad enough, they can oust Netanyahu and pretend everything is merry. Netanyahu is the fall guy.

The sad thing is, it will actually work for a lot of libs.

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

lol, and I cannot lol hard enough, lmao

I hope Iran goes full 𝒹𝑜𝓃𝓀𝑒𝓎 𝓀𝑜𝓃𝑔 𝓀𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓀𝑜𝓃𝑔 𝒸𝓇𝒶𝓏𝓎. One more front is what the war always needed to look very different. I doubt Israel could adequately take on Hezbollah, let alone Iran itself. Things escalating will break the Israeli military and economy in ways they can't get out of any more than Ukraine can.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 47 points 6 months ago

It could also kick off a much larger conflict (unless America pulls an America and just abandons Israel entirely because it's inconvenient zelensky-pain )

[-] CommunistBear@hexbear.net 54 points 6 months ago

America abandoning Israel would be a victory in and of itself

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 39 points 6 months ago

That's exactly what I think would happen. Ukraine has eaten up the surplus of the things we'd need to fight a protracted war against Iran. The US Navy's urgent priority is East Asia and they barely have the ability to cover that in peacetime. Support for Israel is becoming increasingly unpopular with the electorate, while Zionist liberals have been so weird and disgusting that I would never consider voting for a John Fetterman or Bernie Sanders. Only the US Marines are currently reaching their recruiting goals, and the first month of that war is going to produce drone videos that immediately turn off potential volunteers.

Iran would be such a serious near-peer war at such a bad time that I don't see the US being baited into a general invasion to support Israel. Maybe they're stupid enough but that's the kind of war that would break the empire.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 23 points 6 months ago

that's the kind of war that would break the empire

lathe-of-heaven

[-] Sphere@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

:inshallah:

[-] Tunnelvision@hexbear.net 21 points 6 months ago

I always laughed at the US invading Iran. There is just no way America could actually take Iran in any way. The hills of Afghanistan turn into the mountains of Iran. Tehran is a fortress pretty much. There is no victory there, only dumbfuck Americans getting owned by a mountainside ambush.

[-] TheLastHero@hexbear.net 18 points 6 months ago

Iran has the IRGC, an entire branch of the military dedicated to asymmetric combat. The Yankees would be getting fucked before they even landed and then every step of the way towards Tehran. If it was even possible to take Tehran the Iranians wouldn't just give up either. It would be historical farce if it wasn't for the inevitable destruction the Americans would cause.

[-] Ericthescruffy@hexbear.net 16 points 6 months ago

....Are we in world war 3 right now?

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 17 points 6 months ago

We're definitely in the cool zone, but two superpowers directly fighting would be my criteria for WW3.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 6 months ago

The global tension meter is at 90%

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 6 points 6 months ago

𝒹𝑜𝓃𝓀𝑒𝓎 𝓀𝑜𝓃𝑔 𝓀𝒾𝓃𝑔 𝓀𝑜𝓃𝑔 𝒸𝓇𝒶𝓏𝓎

Tagline please???

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 1 points 6 months ago

The full Alex Jones quote is even better:

I'm about to go donkey kong king kong CRAZY... in about 45 days.

[-] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 33 points 6 months ago

Eat shit Zionist pigs.

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 26 points 6 months ago

death to the zionist entity

[-] jack@hexbear.net 24 points 6 months ago

Can't get the archive on this to work

[-] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

not total enough

Death to America

[-] glans@hexbear.net 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Is this news? I vote it be moved to the dunk tank.

But it might just be a bagel. When the solace ends, the hole remains. There's no way around it. The good guys don't always win.

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 5 points 6 months ago

The good guys don't always win.

i too am crushed by the loss of the USSR and the positions of international socialism stalin-bummed

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