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[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 113 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Do people look at staged and focus-grouped photos like those and actually think any of it is genuine?

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 87 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh, my posts about her being faker than bodega Gucci got nuked into the negatives in real fuckin time when she was first doing that detention camp photo op. People simped hard as fuck for her, even as the 'progressive' mask slipped further and further off her lying face. Then, and the "Tax the rich" dress stunt at one of those rich people galas a couple years ago.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago

faker than bodega Gucci

Houston, the sides have achieved liftoff

[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

Then, and the "Tax the rich" dress stunt at one of those rich people galas a couple years ago.

critical support for actually existing in congress individuals who do vaguely leftwing things sometimes

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 9 months ago

does it count if it's performative and they all just laugh about it afterwards?

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[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 74 points 9 months ago

That one where she's looking into the camera looks like she's trying to convince herself it's real and she can't.

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 56 points 9 months ago

Pouting over not being able to believe your own bullshit is a vibe for sure

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

Yes, the cope is real out there

[-] GinAndJuche@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago

Liberalism, not even once.

[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 100 points 9 months ago

I don’t mind that AOC isn’t all “viva la revolution!” all the time, but this pusillanimous inability criticize her own party’s leadership when it’s warranted is contemptible. You’ve got the most prominent profile of any Congress critter that isn’t in leadership, your electoral base isn’t dependent on their kind graces, they’re not going to give you shit anyway, stop playing nice with them. Oh no, Nancy Pelosi said something mean to you? Then tell her to fuck off!

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 73 points 9 months ago

I recently read the new book Ryan Grim just put out related to "the squad." (this is not a plug. It is relevant. Full disclosure I pirated the audiobook and ebook. I don't care if you buy it. I'll show you the torrent link I used myself)

He's a reporter for the Intercept and I'd describe him as a socdem. For those unaware he's one of the few US journalists who ever pushes back on the ghouls at the press briefings which is what interested me to see his inside-view towards AOC, etc.

So blah blah blah obligatory statements aside, I left that book with, I suppose, better understanding of who AOC is and isn't. I don't think she ever intended to be nor wants to be any sort of actual "revolutionary." She was just a fairly normal person who held generally left-leaning ideals on a bunch of issues, especially compared to most Americans, and was able to beat out a powerful piece of shit right wing democrat in her district.

I don't know if Grim meant to portray her as naive, or a liar, or too willing to go along to get along. I THINK he's very sympathetic to her. But the stuff he writes about her in a matter of fact way often made me go "holy shit he wrote this? She won't be texting him anymore insider shit." (He references personal texts between himself and various progressive US reps throughout the book)

I left the book disappointed in her but I guess I kinda get it. She never intended to be like Ilhan Omar who legitimately does seem to not give a single fuck. Ironically Pelosi is better friends with Omar, which seems to be for the purpose of driving a wedge between her and the rest of the progressive women in congress. I have no idea why Omar maintains such a relationship unless Ryan's characterization is inaccurate (always possible). Like, fuck Pelosi. Fuck Jeffries too. He's an even bigger PoS.

The only reason he ever seems to cite, and again he draws heavily from quotes most of the book, is they don't want to be mean to the people they work with. Their peers in congress.

I'm not joking. A lot of underlying reasoning seems to be personal like/dislike of individuals and wanting to curry favor with them. A cynical view would lead me to believe that's only to make sure she doesn't allow them to be primaried (although this is Jeffries' job now: and he IS allowing it anyway!).

It does seem that whether she knew it or not (and I'm ok giving her benefit of the doubt) Pelosi and the DNC as a whole has successfully reigned in any sort of leftist electoralism by picking the weakest, least principled progressive and getting her to bend of leadership over and over to dishearten, cause disengagement, whatever else and send the ultimate signal that "it doesn't matter if you send 100 or 400 members like this to congress. We will break all of them. We are all unprincipled and you cannot win."

Obviously Pelosi, et al. wouldn't word it like that. They'd view as like "see! AOC is a team player and she's benefiting from it and her district too!" Or some sort of BS.

In any case, Grim, I think unknowingly to a large degree, laid out a case for anti-electoralism. He was overly positive (he's a socdem after all) about the legislation and ideas AOC managed to push. None of it is meaningful ultimately, imo. Is it something? Sure. But if it's not enough then it doesn't matter with climate change or genocide in Gaza.

Also the book taught me Josh Gottheimer legitimately needs to be in a supermax prison. He's a fascist freak. I didn't know much about this Nazi fuckstick until recent Palestine events, but holy fuck is he disgusting. And these are the people (same party!) that AOC ultimately is ok being friends with or trying to be nice to by voting to explode more children.

I feel like I wrote one of those 7th grader "prove you did the reading" book reports. Fuck.

[-] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 42 points 9 months ago

Hey bud, good effort but I ran your report through an "AI Detection" website and it said it was 89% positive you used AI to write this. I'm going to have to give you an F on the assignment unless you rewrite it again but in your own words.

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[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago

This pretty much lines up with what I’ve read about how the insular, continuing status quo culture of DC perpetuates itself. It’s not that everyone becomes maliciously corrupted, it’s seeing other Congress critters as coworkers and not wanting to rock their boats. Like, Bernie doesn’t call Biden his friend as a moral judgment, it’s literally they’ve been working together for decades and developed the work-friendship relationship that happens at any job. The establishments are good at leveraging these sort of personal relationships to keep the gravy train going for themselves and their donors.

And this is why the saying “If you want a friend in DC, get a dog” exists.

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[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 67 points 9 months ago

I really think she'll just do anything to keep the comfortable lifestyle and sense of self-importance. I've known several former MPs, none of whom I thought were particularly great in the first place, and with the exception of one they were all desperate to get elected again even though they had achieved very little and talked nonstop about how much they hated to politics of it. And the reason was simple; it was a highly paid job with a shitload of benefits, loads of trips and freebies, and a constant sense of importance (however thin it might have been).

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

maybe-later-kiddo But my pragmatic comittee posistions!

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[-] StellarTabi@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Oh no, Nancy Pelosi said something mean to you? Then tell her to fuck off!

fr wish she should wear a guillotine as a dress to the next gala

[-] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

wish she should ~~wear~~ bring a guillotine ~~as a dress~~ to the next gala

geordi-yes

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 91 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Which country did the bombs and weapons that cause this "loss of life" come from, and which president bypassed congress to give Israel more bombs and weapons?

The Biden administration (along with Sunak's government) is going to be sued for being complicit in potential genocide by South African lawyers, do these people not get that? This is happening right now, it's not abstract, it's real, and it's happening now. Biden broke the laws of his own "rules based international order" to arm Israel over the past months. It's on the books, have a spine. The ICJ case gives you all the ability to do so and challenge these people by their own rules. South Africa did this for that reason. Time for progressives and the left in the West to take the baton and raise their voices at minimum, and support South Africa's legal challenges, if not file their own lawsuits. If Western progressive/left wing politicians can't even oppose an ongoing genocide, what use are they?

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

I totally agree 10000-com

I may be too cynical to believe I'll ever see these fucks dragged into the Hague, but I want them to spend the rest of their lives bleeding money and having to cancel appearances or turn around jets because there's word a legal team might be waiting for them when they land.

And the act of going after them alone has a chilling effect on others, especially further down the ladder for those who can't necessarily afford to insulate themselves in the same way.

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 74 points 9 months ago

She really is the perfect socdem

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[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 73 points 9 months ago

loss of life

Oh no I lost my life, where did I put it this time, aw jeez, I always carry it with me I swear!

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[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 68 points 9 months ago

AyyyyyOC "I don't think it's fair to call this a genocide. Genocide implies that they select, and make the effort to differentiate, a certain group. So how can Israel be guilty of genocide when they are just killing, I'm sorry I meant precipitating loss of life of, everyone indiscriminately?"

[-] D61@hexbear.net 59 points 9 months ago

AOC to the world: "Its okay, their not "my" brown people."

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 57 points 9 months ago

What a pathetic non-answer. But she's still very popular with zoomers who treat criticism of her the same way Millennials did with Obama.

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 9 months ago

YOU JUST DON'T LIKE HER BECAUSE SHE IS A BARTENDER WHO CAN BARELY AFFORD TO LIVE, DEEP DOWN IN HER BONES, JUST LIKE THE REST OF US

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 56 points 9 months ago

I for one am shocked at this capitulation

[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago

Her attempts to build a slightly left of center bloc in the DNC were blocked.. by the DNC changing the rules on running.

This is the best we can hope for - the most mildest of critics, which likely received huge yelling in return.

America is basically without hope.

[-] jack@hexbear.net 30 points 9 months ago

if you thought any possible hope for America ever rested with the dems, you're looking in the wrong place

[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

I did for a bit in early 2016.

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

Let's be real socdems are center to center-right on the wider political spectrum

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

They objectively are right-wingers. They do not want to change the economic system of Capitalism. They simply want to bandage it, cover its gruesome face with an emoji smiley face mask, and keep it going for another millennium.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

this is like saying to your sick child "well your arm is going to rot and fall off, this is the best we can hope for while treating your illness with homeopathy"

Electoralism was never going to help.

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[-] wombat@hexbear.net 50 points 9 months ago

social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism

[-] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

What cool and perceptive guy said that I wonder

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[-] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 44 points 9 months ago

Obama 2.0

Anyone taking bets because I'd put money on that

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[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago

Do you disagree?flowey-smug

[-] TheGenderWitch@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

those photos are both incredibly funny and infuriating

[-] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago

But did you think about the power dynamics between Palestine and Israel?

[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

No one is doing the age gap discourse on palestine v israel

Palestine: like 3000 years old

Israel: idk 40 or something

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[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 29 points 9 months ago

They’ve got her pounding the pavement hard to try to help genocide joes atrocious numbers

[-] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

Sis think she Sarah Connor's nightmares 💀

[-] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 9 months ago

You gotta think about the macro sweaty

[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 22 points 9 months ago

she's gotta tow the party line if she wants a long mainstream political career. If Genocide Joe loses, the Dems lose and AOC loses, she's not hiding her powers, she is what she is.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 31 points 9 months ago

That's the thing is that isn't true

She could actually be halfway fucking decent she's in the safest seat in the country.

This isn't her being a smart political operator, this is her spitting in the face of her constituents because she more concorned with chasing power then helping anyone that isn't her.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Years ago, I said “well she needs to work with them in order to get anything done”. Now of course I realize they don’t even let her get anything done, so she really does have nothing to lose.

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[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

Death to America

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

We should really use that firsr picture as a :liberalism2: emoji

[-] CindyTheSkull@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

The first one is definitely a enactment of this:

hesitation-2

And the third one is, as others have mentioned, Sarah Connor

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