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Too many of the potential jurors said that even if the defendant, Elisa Meadows, was guilty, they were unwilling to issue the $500 fine a city attorney was seeking, said Ren Rideauxx, Meadows' attorney.

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[-] paridoxical@lemmy.world 210 points 9 months ago

So much time, effort, and resources wasted towards trying to fine someone $500 for doing something humane. Our "leaders" are out of touch with reality. Can we fine them for wasting our tax dollars on shit that doesn't matter?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

with "leaders", the best course of action usually involves guilliotines.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 196 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Stop telling them this in advance! They can't get at your work material or deliberations. Just give them a general affirmative and go on to nullify that shit.

Also, at the point you can't seat a jury because they're telling you they won't convict there has to be some kind of slaughter rule. To stop wasting the court's time if nothing else. Because at some point you're just letting the prosecutor choose a verdict, not a jury.

[-] detalferous@lemm.ee 26 points 9 months ago

Exactly. Well put

[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

Don't lie under oath, but you also don't have to scream from the hilltops that the whole damn system is out of order and ensure that someone who is heavily invested in punishing the people for feeding the homeless gets your spot in the jury instead.

[-] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 174 points 9 months ago

What the fuck did I just read?

Humans arrested and charged for feeding hungry and needy humans

That's a level of Freedom ©®™ I just cannot comprehend

That's fucking evil

[-] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

Welcome to America!

Home of the fuck you i got mine

[-] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 9 months ago

With a lot of right-wing voters, it's "fuck you and me, someone else got theirs"

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[-] stoly@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Believe it or not, it used to be illegal in most places to be in public if you were maimed or deformed. We're talking veterans will be arrested for walking down the street. The reason? Good christian folk suffer when they see it, it has to be kept out of sight.

This is the 20th century version of that.

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 9 points 9 months ago

This still goes on with dress codes directed at women. "This women's skirt is an inch too short, all the boys will turn into sexual predators!"

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[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 136 points 9 months ago

So the DA is just allowed to say, "I don't like any of my choices in this jury pool" and that's just okay?? That doesn't sound like a fair trial at all. It's like grabbing the stack of lottery tickets from behind the counter and starting to scratch them off. When somebody comes to make you stop you just say, "it's all good. I'm just trying to find one I like before I decide to play the lottery today."

[-] JakenVeina@lemm.ee 34 points 9 months ago

To over-simplify, as I understand things...

There's a variety of reasons a juror can be rejected, with one of them being "the juror is not willing to follow the law, as written". This seems to be what's happening here, the law says that if a person does X, the penalty is fine Y, and these jurors are saying "I would not issue fine Y even if you prove they did X."

To an extent, this is the system working they way it's supposed to, one of the checks on unreasonable laws is being unable to find people willing to enforce them in good conscience.

[-] Pips@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 9 months ago

Although that process can also be heavily abused, such as when all white juries would routinely find white defendants not guilty when they very obviously lynched black people.

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[-] Perfide@reddthat.com 15 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately this is a very cut and dry indication of intention of jury nullification, and that is a reason to dismiss a potential juror. They shouldn't have said anything and then nullified once they actually got on the jury.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 114 points 9 months ago

Jury Nullification! Tell a friend, tell an enemy, tell everyone. Take back our country.

[-] anarchy79@lemmy.world 67 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah but pipe down about it during jury selection, they screen for us.

[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 38 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Weird how it works. The one time I got jury duty I was ready to nullify and got given a case where the accused was accused of a raping a 11 year old.

Hmm I don't think I am going to nullify that particular law. Sounds like a good one to keep on the books.

They rejected me anyhow, guess the defense didn't want a parent of young daughters on the jury for some strange reason

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 14 points 9 months ago

Yeah but here's the thing, if they can prove you knowingly steered the jury towards nullification post selection they'll prosecute you for perjury because the screening questions basically total up to "Would you nullify a guilty verdict? Yes or No?", so doing it on purpose and being too obvious about it can get you put in front of your own jury.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 66 points 9 months ago

Everyone should know about Jury Nullification.

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[-] JCreazy@midwest.social 60 points 9 months ago

They wouldn't have to feed the homeless if the city did a better job at helping them.

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[-] Garbanzo@lemmy.world 49 points 9 months ago

Put me on the jury. If the city can make a convincing case that permits are needed to ensure safe food handling practices are being followed, and that permits are granted freely when reasonable requirements are met, they'll get their fine (they won't).

[-] ExLisper@linux.community 14 points 9 months ago

Ok, you're on.

[-] AnonTwo@kbin.social 45 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

So what happens if they just can't find anyone willing to say the fine is okay?

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 9 months ago

They'll just postpone it indefinitely and keep trying to find a jury pool.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 26 points 9 months ago

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury...

I'm probably not quoting (with emphasis added) any sort of amendment to a document that forms the supreme law of the land though.

[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 9 months ago

This is Texas we're talking about, when has something as pesky as the US Consitution gotten in their way of doing whatever the fuck they want?

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 42 points 9 months ago

When people want to know what anarchism is, it’s this organization. In many places where it operates it isn’t legal, but what good is the law when it stands between people and freely feeding their community.

And if you don’t have a local chapter and want to you can just start your own. There’s like four rules and you don’t need to get approval, from anyone. It’s completely decentralized. Hell you can operate one across the street from another.

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 35 points 9 months ago

Humanity prevails

[-] stoly@lemmy.world 34 points 9 months ago

LOL the city leaders are so desperate to act out their cruelty and cannot understand that the citizenry is capable of human empathy.

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[-] bc1@lemmy.l0l.city 17 points 9 months ago

Where are the benevolent philanthropists to show us the light with their "elite" luminary brains?

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago

See, this is the shit American and Canadian cities waste time and resources on instead of actually helping people in need.

[-] Alatarius@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 9 months ago
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