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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The USA ran full speed into surveillance after 9/11 and have been heckling China from the lead position the entire race. It’s just now that treats are expensive and the surveillance has gotten so far out of hand you have venture capitalists moving in on the game. Those are some mighty high contradictions for the average Joe and he might just see through the propaganda because of it. Oopsiedoodle. Let’s hope more liberals start to get the picture.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 55 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

China easily has shit loads more cameras, but to give you an idea how they are used, my mate left his bag in a taxi, so he went to the police station and whilst they were with him and in the space of about 10 mins, they loaded up the nearest camera to where he had been dropped off, got the taxi registration, called the driver, and got the bag delivered to his hostel.

This isn't even a rare occurrence. At first I was a bit weirded out by the sheer number of cameras, especially around roads, but having interacted with Chinese law enforcement on a few occasions, I am no longer concerned. They genuinely seem to be there to serve the populace and not enforce some draconian policy of protecting capital.

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 53 points 1 month ago

Police actually being helpful is such a foreign concept to anyone in America with a net worth under $10 million. Cops here absolutely do not give a shit about you reporting a theft or loss. The only thing it is good for is paperwork to show your insurance agent.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Oopsiedoodle. Let’s hope more liberals start to get the picture.

don't worry, they never will.

or atleast not enough of them to make an impact on things today.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

not today, but guaranteed to happen no matter what we do. we just have to endure long enough to be at the right and the right place to capitalize (pun intended lol) on their asshattery.

... or atleast that's what history keeps telling us.

... over

... and over again

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 43 points 1 month ago

Remember two decades ago when everyone clowned on London England for having widespread CCTV cameras and being a surveillance state.

Fast forward to now. AI cameras everywhere, bulk data collection, bulk internet traffic collection, cellular phone account and ISP KYC requirements, ID verification at the OS level, people walking around with literal GPS tracking devices they can't turn off, and a Federal workaround to the 4th Amendment by authorities simply purchasing all that data from commercial vendors.

The worst part is the average person is so stupid or blackpilled that they won't even push back on it or realize it's a problem. So long as they can get their cheap garbage from TikTokShop.

[–] MeetMeAtTheMovies@hexbear.net 31 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In China packages can be delivered to shared publicly accessible spaces and everyone will just take theirs and leave everyone else’s alone. Theft from those spaces is very rare. Meanwhile there are entire Facebook groups dedicated to suburbanites in the US complaining about people stealing packages off their porches and homeless people walking down the sidewalk.

[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 19 points 1 month ago

And those groups are filled with fantasies of confronting the thief and exercising their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS on them.

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Tbf, there are a lot of areas in the U.S. where public package deliveries are the norm. I myself have only ever had a lockbox for packages in my apartment complex once, and I have never had a package stolen from me in my entire life.

In my experience it is really only the wealthy suburbs that are usually robbed, and ordinarily it is the children of the neighborhood that are doing it, not random homeless people. That said, there have absolutely been huge rackets around stealing packages in the cities, but that whole thing seems to have died down a bunch.

Idk. It always seemed like a hugely exaggerated problem to me.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I live in a small town in Canada in a neighborhood with the region's high school and we had a bunch of package and laundry theft in my town and several adjacent towns.

Chuds on all those neighborhood apps were constantly frothing about how it must be one of the tiny handful of non-white students that go to high school here.

I had so many problems with my medication getting swiped in addition to everything else that I bought a local-only doorbell camera, and caught the (white chud) daughter of one of my neighbors stealing packages in front of my door. I asked my landlord if he recognized her, he called the cops apparently.

So, my landlord and this bigass Mountie go to their door to Just Ask Questions and this lady took a flying leap out the back window to flee the pigs. She got arrested for running from the cops, and they found out she'd been behind all of the thefts in the area. There hasn't been a package theft in my town since.

I still feel weird about this. I'm curious about what happened to the brand new Buick Enclave Avenir she'd paid for in cash by flipping the stolen goods.

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

She must've stolen a shitload of stuff... Any fencing operation is gonna pay like 25% of the retail value of stolen goods since they are taking a risk themselves. Therefore to buy even a shitty car with cash, think of the amount of thefts that requires.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The car she bought starts at $75,000 CAD, and was a brand new car. At 25%, that would mean she stole $300k worth of stuff?

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

if it was all stolen, and a bit more if you include whatever taxes and fees on top of the price of the car

[–] miz@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

wow that is some terrible judgment. a Buick?!?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

the amount of valuable shit that sits exposed all day and night on my front lawn and porch in a working class multiracial neighborhood without ever getting stolen is pretty good evidence of your theory

one time I saw some elementary school kids grab an amazon package off my neighbor's porch and I yelled at them and they walked back and put it down and apologized (it was cat food), that's the most serious theft I've ever seen

[–] Renin@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago

I don't think many people can comprehend that you can set up a state that tries to make it as difficult as possible for corruption to occur and one that tries to protect the proletariat.

They either thing China is a horror surveillance state or they think it's totalitarian and they wanna copy all the stuff, not realizing this shit doesn't work if you don't have a socialist system. China itself had to purge the shit out of the their government, after they did the whole tactical reform and opening up pact with the demon.

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Calling it now, they will frame mass surveillance as “based and redpilled” and we’ll have a whole generation of ‘rebels’ who will unironically tell you “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.”

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago

I mean, they've already been doing this

PATRIOT Act really set the tone for the last 20-odd years

[–] Hohsia@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

It’s already happening in the comments. Granted those are usually ratio’d to hell, but unfortunately it won’t be hard to pump up the likes with some bot farms.

Manufactured consent is just changing forms :/

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago

3 times while the car was off in the parking lot

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] MasterBlaster@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

more people die during America's Halloween celebrations per year than have been killed by Chinese police, in the entire country, in the same time period

[–] ProletarianDictator@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Spirit Halloween is also authoritarian. Two things can be bad at once.

[–] BGDelirium@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

GOATed stat. Do you have a reference for this that I can rub in the faces of chuds?

[–] comrade_pibb@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

please elaborate. Let's have a conversation about this and better understand each other

[–] miz@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.

from https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/