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My entire life I have known speach to mean the verb that describes the act of speaking in the present tense, while speech to be the verb that is the past tense act of speaking professionally/publicly to a group.

According to google :The correct spelling is speech. "Speach" is an outdated spelling from hundreds of years ago and is now considered a spelling mistake.

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[–] awmwrites@lemmy.cafe 75 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Person with an English degree here.

Welcome to the speech and Berenstain timeline

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Now you're going to tell me the cornucopia emoji never existed.

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 7 points 2 days ago

Why does everyone remember a green seahorse emoji, it's like at the tip of my tongue but an idea

[–] Forester@pawb.social 14 points 2 days ago

Thanks, I hate it.

[–] terranoid@lemmy.cafe 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Wait are you serious? Is speach/speech a Mandela Effect, and you remember speach as an English teecher?

[–] FluidBeef@quokk.au 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Mandela? You mean that guy who died in prison long before he could became internationally famous?

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

English degree and retired schoolmarm typing here.

If you and I were speaking in person, what we were doing could be described as the act of speech. (act and speech are both nouns in that phrase) For the past tense you would say we spoke.

~~Einstein~~ (shamefaced edit correction: Doc Brown from the Back To The Future movies, duh!) up there looks like he's giving a speech. Speech is a noun, like a candy, or a damn, which he could also give if he chose to.

Sounds like somewhere in elementary school you got corrected on the spelling in the context of "he gave a speech" and decided that spelling was special to that meaning.

Which is reasonable and allowed you to continue thinking

(incorrectly, but also reasonably)

speak-->speach

But the truth is more boring, it's only the one word for ordinary and special speech. And the correct spelling is not the reasonable one you derived.

As to how it's been this long...It's the kind of error people might notice but assume it's a typo and not bother to mention, because it's not confusing.

[–] spazzman6156@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I can't let this one go.

That's not Einstein, that's Christopher Lloyd as "Doc Brown" in Back To The Future.

His character's look was likely influenced heavily by Einstein's appearance, so I guess I see the confusion. But hard to believe you're old enough to be retired and haven't seen that movie, or at least references to that character.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Canonically speaking, I think Doc Brown just barely didn't work with Einstein. He would have worked with Oppenheimer and crew though. He may have even met Einstein.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where is the canon that explains that? Is there some BTTF official graphic novel or something?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

There were some comics, and some cut bits of script and character backstory, that detailed him working for the Manhattan Project, among a lot of other cool bits of Emmet Brown backstory that are probably still around somewhere. A lot of the guys thought Doc Brown was a bit eccentric, because he studied everything he could, refusing to purely specialize.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 3 points 1 day ago

I guess that explains why the original power source was plutonium.

Thanks for the info! I never knew there was a canon Emmet Brown back story.

[–] foo@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

He also had a dog called Einstein and said the name quite a few times, which could subliminally add to the confusion when typing about something loosely related.

What's weird is that I saw the picture and recognised Doc Brown as Doc Brown, but then when I read that response I didn't notice the wrong name and instead started remembering the picture as Einstein in the same pose and context. Only when I read your response did I realise I'd been tricked. It's a reminder how easily a person's mind can be tricked sometimes.

[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

This is where my mind went too lmao

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Maybe, "Einstein up there" was sarcastic.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

My bad, of course I know and love Doc. I guess I'm so old my eyes failed me late at night on my phone. 🥴

[–] MrChewy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't know what I'm more annoyed at. That you confused Doc from back to the future with Einstein or that as I've now seen "speach", I can't help but "ew" at "speech" despite first time ever hearing of "speach". "Speach" is SO much better Dx

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Oh God, of course it's Doc, I was very tired last night. I'm not a huge fan of speach but I kinda like OP's distinction between public and private speaking. I can even imagine a mnemonic, the ee is the little faces of the audience looking up at Einstein/Doc speechifying, the ea are the two people looking at each other in a conversation.

[–] gnufuu@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Correct grammar is relative after all

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

A relative truth: my Grammar is always correct, or so my Grampar tells me.

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 2 days ago

It seems like maybe you just mixed up the spelling of speech and speak?

Speech isn't a verb, it's a noun. The verb would be speak. In English, nouns don't have their own tenses, they are interpreted from context. Here's an interesting article about temporal interpretation, if you're interested: https://blog.oup.com/2023/02/do-nouns-have-tense/

[–] dadarobot@lemmy.ml 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

is speech (or speach i guess) ever a verb? its a noun describing the talking. you don't speech, you speak.

"slow speech" "give a speech" "her speech" "speech writer" "speech class"

vs

"speak with an accent" "speaking of the mandella effect" "i love to listen to you speak"

i feel like youre getting ”speech” and ”speak" confused here...

[–] voidsignal@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] Klear@piefed.world 11 points 2 days ago

Still a noun: me do your mom

[–] sundray@lemmus.org 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

He did a speech on it he did!

[–] Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

thx, after reading your post with my inner voice, "speak" and "speech" don't sound like real words anymore

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Semantic satiation

[–] arotrios@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

C'mon, we all know what happened....

[–] Sanctus@anarchist.nexus 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OP were you taught by a vampire in school?

[–] Forester@pawb.social 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

One of my chemistry professors was most certainly an energy vampire.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

It's always the chem profs...

welcome to the timeline. we're sorry you're here

[–] TaterTot@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Okay... fuck... I too was convinced it was speach. As in "to give a speach". Welp, glad there's someone else from my original Everett branch.

[–] human@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 days ago

I would pronounce that like the sound an old man would make when he's clearing his throat. Perhaps before he gives a speech.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Speach" must be common usage in whatever universe you came from. It definitely isn't in this one. People are getting much more dumber, though, so if you starts using it more people might will does it too.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People are getting much more dumber, though, so if you starts using it more people might will does it too.

The irony of the sentiment of this comment against the flickering light of the dumpster fire that is its grammar is not lost on me.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oooh, a person who considers the possibility someone is making a joke before grabbing the pitchfork and torch? You're like an internet unicorn.

[–] Wolf314159@startrek.website 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If I thought it was an intentional joke, it wouldn't have been ironic.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Also, whoever decided to spend a lot of time running through pages of my comment history down voting everything should seek psychiatric help.

[–] Abyssian@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No, you may not have felt it was ironic but intentional irony is definitely a thing, and my comment is an example of that thing. You're just one of the many people on the internet who adores feeling smug and superior, imagining yourself to be so very wise and brilliant. You're not, that's just over-inflated ego.

You actually took the time to advertise your own complete obliviousness and lack of basic common sense. Fantastic. I made you a new user image.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Time to dig up your high school yearbook

[–] Territorial@piefed.ca 4 points 2 days ago
[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 2 days ago

Ye olde speach.

[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago

Does your family use it that way? Did you go to public school, home schooled?

I could see overworked teachers not noticing, especially if your hand writing is 'messy' or just that it's good enough.

I'm thinking your family has used it that way since forever and taught you that way as well, which I think would be pretty cool.

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

do you maybe read a lot of books with old grammar?

[–] Forester@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Thorry@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago

You can't just say perchance!