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[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 69 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Isn't that like warfare 101?

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago

Warfare 101: Get a bunch of frat boys to run your enemy off the road

[–] smokeppb@hexbear.net 55 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The Russians are using a crazy strategy known as "attacking the enemy with a stronger force than your enemy".

The West: "damn commies using human wave attacks"

The Wikipedia page for Human Wave Attacks is like reading Conservapedia, btw.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

smuglord Unlike Normandy which used human non-waves.

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[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The classic Russian WWII tactic, killing Nazis. 🤣

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[–] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 52 points 3 days ago (2 children)

2022: Russians are orcs, they will do human wave attacks and lose

2026: Noooo

[–] yunqihao@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

1941: ~~Russians~~Soviets are orcs, they will do human wave attacks and lose

1945: Noooo

Something something first as tragedy second as farce.

[–] DornerStan@lemmygrad.ml 40 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Rumor has it Russia discovered an ancient cheating manual called The Art of War

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[–] Mutalisk@hexbear.net 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

German seething about those damn Russians using a "WW2 tactic" when describing basic warfare

not beating the bitter nazi allegations

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Flanking and surrounding your enemy is literally the oldest trick in the book, shit flanking maneuvers are literally older than the concept of writing.

"Og and Thog had spears and were looking right at me, but I had Pvt Grog go around so he can attack from the side"

-from the cave-painting memoirs of Colonel Crog (retd)

[–] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 36 points 3 days ago

I learned flanking playing Medieval 1 & 2 total war as a fucking dumb secluded 10 year old.

Cannae might be one of the most well discussed battles in history BECAUSE of the use of flanking (and because of how huge of a Roman L it was). My history books in high school described the (American) Union strategy of blockading as flanking.

If you're 20+ and call flank, surround, and/or engulfing "WWII tactics", you shouldn't be making military analysis posts. Absolutely embarassing post.

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[–] duderium@hexbear.net 54 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I hate when generals use tactics that western armies have been using for 2000+ years!!!!

[–] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They're apparently leaving a corridor for their enemies to retreat through too, which is explicitly called out in the Art of War alongside other gems like "don't just assume you're going to win because you think you're so cool, you have to actually do stuff to make sure you win," and "yes yes I know you think your soldiers are literal cattle, but you need them to like you or they won't be reliable under pressure," and "pack a lunch, dipshit."

So that's a good 3000 years and across the entire continent.

[–] userse31@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The "don't piss your soldiers off, they won't hesitate to chop your head off" bit is something a lot of fantasy writers miss in the name of "villain vibes".

It's infuriating tbh.

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[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I love that the Art of War is mostly saying, "Hey, rich boy fuck face, I know that you think war is great and all, but you really want to make sure you can win, and if you do win, make sure you provide enough leeway to your opposition to make sure that you won't have to fight them again in five years. Or at least make sure you kill enough of them that they can never oppose.you, but not so many that you piss off another family."

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most of what I remember is them going on and on about different types of grounds minecraft

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Which is extremely important. Never make camp in a swamp, unless you are swamp people.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

If they know you're swamp people, the first place they're going to look is in the swamp.

[–] egg1918@hexbear.net 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Then just go to the other swamp

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 23 points 3 days ago

shrek-troll but this is my swamp!

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 3 days ago (2 children)

my fav part is how all of NATO still hasn't figured out a counter after 4 whole years

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's not really a counter to being outnumbered and sieged except to get more resources and soldiers

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I mean the reason they end up sieged a lot of the time is because they try to hold on to every inch of the ground in fear that retreating will sour their western sponsors.

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Yeah but if they just retreated all the time then they would lose their strategic objectives, which is to hold onto as much "Ukrainian" territory as possible and make taking it costly for Russia. Yeah they could have half as many losses if they just retreated when things got bad, but then they'd also already be in trenches outside of Kiev.

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[–] IranOuttaOil@hexbear.net 27 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Armchair general here...

Ukraine is at a material disadvantage, so in order to survive and have a shot at winning, they need to entrench themselves.

So the Russians branch around them and start fighting, and then the Ukrainians retreat due to the flank.

If Ukraine had sufficient force, they could try to stop the branching, but that would require a posture not totally dependent on being entrenched.

There is no counter without the material circumstances to allow it.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 days ago

There's another, arguably bigger, problem which is that Ukraine is a proxy and optics are really important to them. So, instead of pulling troops out of positions that can't be defended, they just leave them there to the last because they're afraid western support will drop if they're seen to be losing.

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[–] BobDole@hexbear.net 40 points 4 days ago (1 children)

These days, western armies only know terror bombing (which has never worked)

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[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 34 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

So, a part of me immediately went "who is this idiot" and it turns out that after 11 years of writing for the foreign policy section of BILD, the shittiest and most reactionary news outlet of the way too many shitty and reactionary news outlets of the Axel Springer publishing house, Julian Röpcke recently switched to a new career track.

Instead of being a jingoistic mouthpiece for the most unwavering bastion of right wing zionism and imperial lackeydom in Germany, he is now working for, you're not gonna believe this, a German-Ukrainian drone manufacturer.

So i need to put on my contrarian cap here, i don't think this guy is actually this bad at tactics, not when he has mastered tactical grifting to such a degree. He is doing what he has done for a decade, intentionally disseminating the dumbest shit imaginable to the dumbest reactionaries you can imagine.

[–] Damarcusart@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago

As always with these types, they scream about "honor in warfare" whenever they are forced to admit they are losing, but will gleefully justify even the most disgusting and amoral actions in war when it gives their side an advantage.

The only war acceptable to them is when the untermensch marc towards towards them slowly en masse and are easy targets for every kind of Geneva convention-defying weaponry you can name. They want every war to be like a British colonial war, except instead of massacring unarmed villagers with Gatling guns, they use drone strikes, bombing runs and depleted uranium rounds.

[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago

Wait, I thought Ukraine was totally pwning le Russian orcs with cool drones that Russia has no counter for???

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 43 points 4 days ago

Only cowards use winning strategies in war. Russia should be more like the US with Iran and only use losing strategies

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 42 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I have become convinced that no Westerner knows how to actually fight a war anymore

Just fully replaced the notion of logistics and tactics with cavalry charges and shouting "Wolverines!"

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

No western military has had to fight a war against anything resembling a peer-to-peer force since Vietnam or Korea, and by now everyone with experience in that sort of fighting is dead or retired. It's all been air strikes and "counter insurgency" for the past 50 years. Walking around Iraq or Afghanistan until you get blown up by an IED doesn't do much to teach you about drone combat or missile interception/avoidance, and leisurely bombing weddings doesn't prepare you to actually avoid being shot down.

And on the contrary, the enemies of imperialism have had near constant experience adapting to American weapons and tactics

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Walking around Iraq or Afghanistan until you get blown up by an IED doesn't do much to teach you about drone combat or missile interception/avoidance

The only kid I knew who signed up for the army died this exact way, two weeks after he got deployed to Afghanistan

They wanted us to hold a moment of silence for him, but everyone hated him so it didn't quite work

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[–] LeeeroooyJeeenkiiins@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

80% of westerners have their entire education of how conflicts (well, everything, really, lol) work from Hollywood movies where some cracker can just John Wick his way through Fallujah. They think Call of Duty is real

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago (3 children)

There is a significant cohort of Americans convinced that we "won" the Vietnam war because the Vietnamese had more casualties

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Keep in mind, the U.S. would routinely slaughter entire villages, counting all the old people and children they would kill as 'casualties'. The actual Vietnamese soldier to American soldier casualty ratio was not nearly as lopsided, and quite often entire platoons of soldiers would be sent somewhere, only to be ambushed and killed outside of a few who would escape.

This is one of the reasons many Vietnam vets were so fucked up mentally coming back, was because they knew we were losing the war, that we weren't actually killing that many Vietcong, but they would come back to the U.S. to a media what would claim that they were winning, and that they were taking extremely few casualties.

It was one of the reasons the whole MIA/POW narrative started, was to obscure the number of American casualties coming out of the war.

We decisively lost Vietnam, and the idea that we "pulled our punches" is revisionist horseshit. We killed so many civilians, corraled so many villages, and it didn't make a single bit of difference to us winning the war.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 29 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Reminds me of German reports of counter-partisan operations "killed 1000 partisans, captured 10 rifles".

[–] TreadOnMe@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's almost, almost as though they were taking military advice from former Nazi commanders... Sorry, I mean, NATO generals.

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[–] BanMeFromPosting@hexbear.net 15 points 3 days ago

"Im going to punch the air in front of me and if you walk into my punches, then that's on you!"

"Okay, I will walk around you and kick you from the side"

"No, that's not allowed, thats cheating."

[–] pongo1231@hexbear.net 33 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Complaining as if this is an RTS game or something

[–] InexplicableLunchFiend@hexbear.net 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Flanking is seen as a totally valid positioning tactic in RTS. More like they want this to be like Lord of the Rings where two sides charge into each other in pitched battle (never really happened that much historically - usually it was much more harassing, holding chokepoints, kiting back, sieging and surrounding armies or pinning them against natural formations like rivers or oceans)

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 35 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The funniest shit is that the Lord of Rings books actually have very well-researched and well-written battles. The films changed that, because all of the maneuvering don't look as good on screen.

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

because all of the maneuvering don't look as good on screen.

I maintain that it could look awesome on screen but no Hollywood director is brave enough to be the first person to do it (and also it would be hella expensive) so we're stuck with people running at each other and breaking off into one-on-one duels for eternity.

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[–] Chana@hexbear.net 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The only honorable options is to send waves and waves of soldiers into the cannons.

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[–] IranOuttaOil@hexbear.net 32 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The Russians and Persians unable to brute force with an absolutely stupid strategy come up with a strategy that works.

[–] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Unrelated, but I'm always insanely irritated when I see westerners using Vlad as diminutive from Vladimir. If you are going to use diminutives, use the correct ones!

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