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I've made this case to Christians before. If people who don't hear about it get a free pass into heaven, after Jesus died, if they just didn't say anything, everyone on earth would go to heaven.
Any time they go somewhere new and preach, they have to get 100% to believe just to keep the number of people going to heaven the same. Anything less and hell has gained some new souls.
Christianity is a recruitment tool for hell.
My brother's-keeper told me demons keep eating his flock's souls so I asked how many souls he has and he said he just goes to the missionary and gets a new soul afterwards so I said it sounds like he’s just feeding shelter souls to demons and then his mom's statue started crying.
Christianity is an infohazard
lmao
all the abrahamic religions are cognitohazard. maybe, the reason why they're so engrained is cuz one said "shit, now that i've learned it, imma burn, why not spread this to others?"
Da fuq? When I went to Christian school, they told me everyone who died without knowing Jesus go to hell. And I asked “how about babies?”, and they firmly told me “yes, they go to hell”
I made a creature and then killed it before it had an opportunity to comprehend me and I'm offended by that so I'm going to torture it for eternity.
Makes me think that this God fellow has a lot of trauma from its upbringing that needs to be worked through.
- the good guy, supposedly
Ah the loving and compassionate God, who sends you to hell if you haven't even heard of them.
He loves you unconditionally.... with some conditions.
Some Christians believe they go to limbo or purgatory as they were not baptized
The actual answer is "I don't know, the Bible doesn't say."
The contradictions between doctrine and the Bible make so much more sense when you view it in the historical context of a tribal religion, as it was written, not as some kind of universal truth. The Bible doesn't say what happens to people who never hear about it because the writers weren't thinking about that.
Mathew 18:18 is the circuit breaker for those situations: whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven
AKA when in doubt, god defers to the Pope for some reason.
The evolution seemed to be Old Testament = God of Israel, New Testament = God of the Jews and Gentiles, but they still clearly weren't thinking about people in distant lands like the Chinese or Mesoamericans.
I think that any religions that have survived to the present day did so in part because they contained flexibilities like "defer to the Pope"
but they still clearly weren’t thinking about people in distant lands like the Chinese or Mesoamericans.
It's almost like these books of supposed divine revelation could only have been informed by the experiences of the people who wrote them… 🤔
From a religion maintenance POV it makes total sense. From a "god is omniscient and infallible" standpoint, it makes my head hurt.
I assure you it doesn't merit that amount of thought.
this is why they told him
That is hilarious. They gave Christianity the selfish-gene treatment. I'll be embarrassed if this is a page from the book — I haven't actually read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
Well the church fixed that now.
Children who die before they have a chance to be baptised are in heaven too.
But everyone else is going to hell if they do not praise god.
That just sounds noone should get baptised either.
Back when I was a wee little shit, and the parents were ritualistically sacrificing my Sunday mornings to Sky Daddy & Super-J by dragging my ass to church: I recall our pastor actually addressing this. Idr the verse he referenced, but it boiled down your 'soul' or some shit being driven to god even if you haven't been exposed to him here on Earth. TLDR, even if you don't know, you still go to hell for being a dirty heathen, so good 'ol christians have a duty to go shove their shit down as many throats as possible to 'save' them.
Whether or not that's true to their lore, I have no idea - there are so many contradictions in that shit that you can basically make it say whatever you want.
The lore is whatever you can twist into it. You already said it lol
In my experience, each flavor of Christianity handles this a little differently. IIRC the reason ~~the Mormons~~ Jehovah's Witnesses are extra aggressive about hounding your door is because they consider it an obligation to spread the good word, while there are other groups who just stay out of your business entirely.
WRT the quote, there's very little talk of heaven and hell at all in Lutheran churches in my experience, just as an example. Although I have only been exposed to the Norwegian state church, which is pretty laid back about most things, so your mileage may vary with other Lutheran churches.
Also, at least officially, the reason they baptize teenagers with the names of your dead ancestors is because they believe baptism of a physical body is necessary for salvation, AND that they will continue to pester said dead ancestors to convert to Mormonism in heaven’s waiting room.
If some random little shit who lied to his local bishop about cranking it three times a week will get dunked when they read the right name, apparently that helps with the backlog or something, and White Jesus really wants them to get right on that, I assume because his dad is up his ass about TPS Reports or something.
good 'ol christians have a duty to go shove their shit down as many throats as possible to 'save' them.
Yyyyyyep.
My favorite was when I (white guy) lived in a neighborhood with a lot of majority-black churches, ladies would walk around on Sunday afternoons knocking on doors to “spread the news.” However, the second they saw me their faces would fall and they’d make a quick exit after a minimal pitch. It was obvious they were trying to recruit from the black community and my soul was not a priority to them. I’m sure it happens the other way around as well. Nothing against black people here.
"eskimo" is a curse word for Inuit, meaning raw meat eater. Please stop use that word, it's disrespectful.
Spent some time in Alaska - the natives I had a chance to speak to referred to themselves as Eskimos. And it wasn't one of those 'we can say it, but it's derogatory coming from anyone else' words... it's just a word they use for their people. They were kind of amused at the whole controversy.
It's anecdote, and the number of them actually offended by the term Eskimo is probably higher than zero, but by and large this is white people being offended on their behalf at something that is a non-issue.
So, call em Eskimos. Or Inuit. Or Natives. From the source, they're cool with it.
It's a different situation in different areas. In parts of Alaska, it's not a slur, but in parts of Canada, it is a slur. Ultimately you need to know which situation you're dealing with for the area you're in.
Ummmm, actually, it's Eskimx
X-kimo, final offer.
Ah yes. The "I know a black guy who isn't offended by a white guy saying the N word so it's ok to say it" argument.
They are not all the same. I know for a fact that there are indeed large groups who are offended by it. Just because you know a group / groups who are not offended, doesn't mean all the others spread out all over half a continent feel the same way about it.
Using these slurs enables systematic racism.
It really is a good question. This situation is referenced to in Romans 2.
Romans 2:12-16 ESV [12] For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. [13] For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. [14] For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. [15] They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them [16] on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
So, the answer is still "I don't know if you are. I don't know if you're doing the right thing by your law or conscience."
As for "Why tell me?" The theory is still that it is better for your life to know and that God's law is better and more generous than man's law.
As for "Why tell me?" The theory is still that it is better for your life to know and that God's law is better and more generous than man's law.
The Golden Rule has popped up independently in cultures across the globe (including the Abrahamic religions), and I'd argue it's a much better foundation for morality than anything that assumes the supernatural exists.