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Source: I once did some contract work on a WWE video game and experienced a slice of its fandom.
Watching sweaty roided up men groping each other for hours on end? You do you ;-)
There is a very large gay wrestling audience.
Gay-wrestling or gay, wrestling audience lol
Both, homie. Look at the love story behind Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi, or the whole career of Timeless Toni Storm.
Yes
I always describe the Royal Rumble as 30 men in bathing suits pretending to fight each other and to this point no one has ever told me that this doesn't at least somewhat sound entertaining.
Interestingly enough, I know multiple queer fans of wrestling. They enjoy the storylines despite the cheese factor and appreciate the skill involved in a lot of the moves, considering it as its own kind of performance art. Like maybe you're not winning any Oscars for selling your moves, but when you look at things like the Tombstone Piledriver, which are so difficult to pull off both convincingly and safely that use was restricted for a while to just two wrestlers, I can understand that.
I have, however, never encountered a single wrestling fan who did not hate Vince McMahon's guts.
I always thought of it like porn.
There's minimal plot to explain why the guy in a leather banana hammock is mad at the guy in a spandex banana hammock and vest. If you've never been to a ballet, other than the ring, the set, and not singing the interludes, very little is different.
I honestly love the athleticism. Though, I prefer watching the ladies jump around. Their outfits are more interesting, anyway.
This is exactly how I tend to think about it. It’s like the plot in fighting games. It’s just used to ferry the audience from one fight to the next. The actual pretext doesn’t really matter that much, because that’s not why the audience is there. The amount of sheer athleticism that gets displayed on a weekly basis is honestly astounding.
Sure, pro wrestling is fake. But there is no way to fake a hit like this. The fact that those men didn’t leave on stretchers puts them on par with stuntmen.
I think it takes asking the question of "what is fake and what's not?" Jumping off the top of the ropes onto a folding table isn't fake. The reasons why, sure.
"You know those aren't real fights, right? That it's all fake?"
Didn't the coward delete the post and tried to play it off as some kind of joke once people pointed out how fucked up the whole Trump Clan is?
Sir, do you mean to say that Hornswoggle is not REALLY a leprechaun, or that he isn't really the illegitimate son of Vince McMahon?
No, just that the punches are fake. They surround it with all that other real stuff to lend it legitimacy.
If wrestling is fake explain how Mae young gave birth to a mannequin hand in her 70s
Kegels.
Pro wrestling isn’t a sport, it’s a performance art.
Live stuntmen that act sometimes.
I used to love shonen and hate pro wrestling but had a friend who loved it.
After giving it a fair shake, I gotta admit it's the same damn thing, and I was a muppet.
Performance kitsch, let's not sully the word "art" unnecessarily here
What part of this isnt art to you?
I still don't know whether it is supposed to be comedy or not, but thats a separate discussion
What fucking part of that is art? Do you people just think that all media is automatically art?
It is okay to be entertained, have fun. Just don't put your fun entertainment in the same category as The fucking Odyssey or a goddamn Rothko.
Gate keeping art is as old as art itself.
The plots are shit, the acting is over the top, but let’s not pretend prat falls and false punches can’t be art when done well.
And you think wrestling is the space where artful stunts are happening? Be for real.
Kitsch isn't an insult. A lot of things we love are kitsch. It's just a designator between that which used the techniques and skills of art to create that which entertains but does not meet the trappings of art. Hubble miniatures are kitsch. Most sitcoms are kitsch. And wrestling is absolutely, 100% kitsch.
So if it’s popular it’s not art.
People like you are why Ferraris aren’t in art museums.
Tons of popular things are art. Nothing I said suggested otherwise.
But you're basically saying "I've never seen a good example of pro wrestling being art, so it must not exist."
If it's not your thing, that's fine, but going out of your way to say "this entire genre is actually lesser than REAL art" is pretty silly. It's judgemental and also pretty close minded. It's what I used to do as a teenager.
What is the subtextual message of wrestling? What greater point of the human condition does it point to?
Saying fast food isn't haute cuisine isn't being close-minded, it's being accurate. Same shit applies here.
You aren't being open minded, you're lacking discernment.
And again, this isn't even a value assessment. I'm not going to lie, I personally think wrestling is stupid, but I'm not insulting it by calling it kitsch. We all love tons of things that are kitsch; kitsch is not a negative. It's just not art, holy fucking shit, people.
Art is a word with so many different but overlapping definitions that it's honestly not a very useful word, but the ones that rely on Importance™️ or Beauty™️ are the dumbest ones. Mainly because who are you to decide what's Important™️? More often than not it just boils down to "stuff rich white Europeans like."
It just has the same energy as Roger Ebert's weird essay about how video games can't possibly be art. Do you also not think games, movies, tv, plays, dances, etc are not art?
Hopefully you know that "pro wrestling" is an incredibly broad term, and if you're only thinking about WWE, you're only getting a piece of the picture. But even beyond that, even if every single CURRENT production of pro wrestling was actually this "kitche" term that you describe, can you maybe see the absurdity in thinking that it's literally impossible for it to be art going forward? You can't imagine a compelling narrative that also includes some people doing over-the-top gymnastics on top of each other?
I guess... Why is it important to broadly dismiss an entire genre of performance as "not art"? Wouldn't you rather describe your view as "so far what I've seen hasn't been art to me, and I don't really care to investigate further" and leave it at that?
Wouldn’t you rather describe your view as “so far what I’ve seen hasn’t been art to me, and I don’t really care to investigate further” and leave it at that?
I guess I just believe in people's ability to use deductive reasoning and common sense and don't feel the need to couch my statements in every possible caveat.
Plenty of games, movies, tv, dances, are explicitly art. Plenty of them are also not.
I believe in the indomitable human spirit and the endless potential of human creativity. I believe anything can be made art through human determination and inspiration. Of course I believe wrestling can be art because nothing humanity touches is outside the realm of art. And of course I concede that without having witnessed the whole of wrestling, it's possible art has been made in or through it. None of that changes my position that wrestling, as standard, is not art. I don't understand what you or anyone gains from intentionally missing the forest for the trees by insisting on pedantry and narrowing on hypotheticals, edge cases, and exceptions while ignoring the reality of the mundane standard.
I'm so tired of having to say shit like "in my opinion" and "I think" as if people can't fucking infer the obvious; this is the same.
with the sate of things in american pro wrestling today, it really should be banned, and Vince should be locked up. THEN we can work on prison abolition after that.
Everyone I know into pro wrestling is one of the gayest people I know.
Granted, nearly everyone I know is pretty gay...
What did it originally say?
It's even better when you notice it maid Shinji
GET IN THE FUCKING MAID UNIFORM SHINJI!
Don't mind me, imma just subscribe to this comment by replying
This is fake and gay.
- Fake: pro wrestling
- Gay: coming out as gay
Watching them that don't know it a work when you work a work and work yourself into a shoot,marks
Will never not be fun though
Don't tell them about your award winning target shooting career. Hoo wee
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