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[–] weirdcarrotmonster@sh.itjust.works 85 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

There is actually a bit of sense in there. Paper cups weren't simply paper - its tetrapak-like material with plastic coating inside. They are notoriously hard to recycle. Plain plastic cups on the other hand are made from single material, most likely PET. Moreover, they are transparent, without colouring additives.

There are two reasons why colour in plastic makes it harder to recycle. First, pigment is a completely different substance, which behaves differently from plastic itself. It makes it harder to "re-melt" into stable material. If you ever 3d printed anything with matte/gloss filament, you'll know that it is more finicky than plain one. Second, uncoloured plastic can be coloured into anything, while other needs to be either sorted by colour or mixed with strong dye (black, gray, dark brown, etc) to have consistent colour.

PET itself is pretty easy to turn into something new, actually. A workshop near me had a live demo of the whole process - chipping it into small pieces, feeding to the heated tube, and then injection molded into trinkets. Industrial grade processing usually have "turned into pellets" step in between, but it's basically the same.

Plastic-covered paper, on the other hand, should be somehow separated first, and then handled with two different approaches - one for paper, another one for plastic film. Doable, but much harder. Paper straw can probably decompose by itself, without any special conditions.

UPD: Be vary that recycling is not a panacea. There's multiple videos about how recycling plastic isn't actually a thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68zjxTTl5Ik for example.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

this would be a legitimate argument if any of the plastic was actually recycled ... last time i checked it all goes into the incinerator to make electricity out of it.

the recycling of plastic is difficult, not because melting and re-shaping the plastic itself is difficult (it is not, it's trivially easy); the problem is that you basically never get correctly-sorted garbage. when you get "plastic waste", it has at least 20% things in it that are not plastic, including food waste, aluminum, paper, etc. some even throw toxic batteries in it, chemicals (soap), pharmaceuticals ... then there's the risk of infections on the plastic (viruses, bacteria, fungi). there's absolutely no chance that you're just gonna take plastic waste and mold it into a new shape that's food safe. best you can do is to mix it with concrete and use it as a construction material in road construction.


edit: the video you linked is really watchable.

[–] turtlesareneat@piefed.ca 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Even if you perfectly sort the plastic out, it can only be recycled about 1.5 times before the structure changes so much it's not suitable for the original use. Plastic recycling is a scam.

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[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'll take a PLA cup over a paper cup lined with PFAS, BPA, etc.

There should really be a law that people should be able to bring their own reusable drink cup for any drink.

[–] ironycanal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 days ago (4 children)

But then they might get extra drink! Unconscionable!

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

if people knew just how little the typical fountain drink cost, cups and straws included, they would riot over the costs.

[–] tjhrulz@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't know if it's still true but years ago basically the cost for the cup and straw for the business was greater than the cost of the drink itself.

So if anything bringing my own container would save them a good chunk of the cost of a fountain drink.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

yeah, last time i checked the cost of the water, syrup, cup and straw were like..20 cents (this is with their economy of scale, bulk buying, etc etc), for a big 64 ounce drink. admitted that was before trump ruined the economy, but i doubt they are still not making absolute bank on fountain sales.

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[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I went to a fancy restaurant recently, the kind that charges $15 for a side salad and $30 for a plate of noodles, and the straw that broke the camels back for me was that she charged me $3 for every refill of the 12 oz of soda they give you.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago (2 children)

charged refills of fountain drinks is just pure exploitative robbery.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah like this is supposed to be an upscale restaurant but they’re acting like a beggar on the street. They even had the gall to charge the customer for the 3% credit card fee. I’m supposed to spend $70 a head but they can’t afford a $3 fee for the table. Unforgivable lol

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[–] Aarkon@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 6 days ago

Fair point. IIRC though the primary reason for banning plastic straws was not CO2 emissions but wildlife protection, as plastic straws are (or were) the single most frequently found foreign object in the stomachs of dead sea turtles.

[–] NastyNative@mander.xyz 33 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Many people don't understand why plastic straws are considered more harmful than plastic cups. The key issue is that straws are far more likely to escape waste management systems due to their small size, allowing them to pass through filtration screens and enter waterways. As a result, they reach the ocean at a higher rate and pose a greater threat to marine life, including sea turtles. Larger items like plastic cups are generally easier to capture and contain before they become environmental hazards.

[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sorry, people don't give a shit about nuance and technicalities anymore. It's all vibes, baby. ChatGPT says I'm right.

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[–] whereitsat@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

i remember the great plastic transition of 1995. on the trek though GRAND UNION to buy macaroni salad ingredients and store brand chips, i asked my mom why there were so many plastic bottles, and she replied 'we're like pioneers' and she referenced little house on the prairie, and i still didn't understand what she was getting at, so she slapped some sense into me right in aisle 13 and i pretended i understood so she'd leave me alone for five minutes.

a few weeks ago my MD said that i have colon cancer and i assume that's from pounding cases of fruitopia when it was in vogue but who am i gonna sue? is big plastic a thing?

i tried to tell my mom it was her fault but when i tried to call all i heard was a dial tone. i thought that was weird at the time because cell-phones don't have dial tones but my therapist said i was hallucinating; she still won't prescribe me xanax.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

paper straws are quite literally a strawman project against environmental pollution. they do not actually solve environmental pollution while pretending they do ..

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

its actually propaganda, a campaign by the oil/gas industry to avoid reducing thier own emissions or pollutions, thats why many countries arnt very keen on reducing it. they funded things like "how to reduce your carbon footprint, use less gas, or electricity" plus all those climate protesters you heard about defacing historic places, are funded by them.

i was watching some animal videos one day, and the presenter was promoting this "carbon footprint" company, and the commenters called it out that these companies are funded by the oil-gas industry, luckily the youtube channel listened and stopped promoting them.

[–] clifmo@programming.dev 5 points 5 days ago

Set aside the asinine idea that those cups were "paper." Absolutely nobody has a choice in where McDonald's serves them. McDonald's stocks what it thinks is profitable. And zero people falsely believe they're "saving the planet" by consuming McDonald's products.

[–] huey_m@reddthat.com 14 points 6 days ago (13 children)

There needs to just be a blanket, punitive, 100+% tax on any and all single use plastics that are not medical devices. Obviously there's lots of other bigger environmental issues that need to be tackled but this really seems like a pretty obvious one imo.

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[–] manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Paper cups still have a plastic lining, and it's related to PFAS chemicals iirc

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 points 6 days ago

Go back to them being wax coated.

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[–] SaintNyx@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Ppl have been mentioning the plastic in the paper cups but I haven't seen anyone mention that large cups used to all be Styrofoam. Some places all the cups were Styrofoam. And that was god awful for the environment. They were amazing though. Getting a giant sweet tea in a cup that never sweated was phenomenal. Shame they suck so bad.

[–] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Paper cups used to be lined in wax. Plastic is technically unnecessary.

[–] Karmanopoly@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

I remember biting the rim of a Styrofoam cup and leaving imprints of my teeth

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[–] bloogoose@lemmy.zip 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

The irony of this post using McDonald's cups isn't lost on me. Where does their meat come from I wonder...

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Farm animals, fake meat is too expensive.

Always get a chuckle out of the conspiracy that mcdonalds uses fake meat. When the reality is so, so much worse.

Its all 100% real meat. McDonald's just ruins it that hard.

[–] bloogoose@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 days ago

The environmental impact of their factory farms is what I was getting at...

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[–] zerofk@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I can’t remember the last time I used either of those. Real glasses and cups exist, and don’t require straws.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 5 points 6 days ago

Neither of those containers can be recycled.

[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 4 points 6 days ago

I like the meme but I would like it more if it didn't have a wojak in it

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