I am very against generative AI, but you still shouldn't insult people by calling them "promptitute," it's belittling of street workers engaged in survival sex work, and compares people who are economically and socially precarious with losers who use generative AI.
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The maximalist "anything using any kind of neural network math is exactly the same and is equally bad in all cases" position is nonsensical and feels like people just taking out the frustration they feel towards being unable to stop the actually destructive and bad things (the mass rollout of useless and catastrophically wasteful datacenters, companies trying to replace workers with glorified magic 8-balls that make everything worse, vibe coding speedrunning the complete collapse of the systems and infrastructure modern society depends on) by conflating them with and raging against legitimate use cases (bespoke data processing models trained for specific scientific tasks, or making certain extant techs like text-to-speech or machine translation a little less shit than they were before even if they're still not great) or harmless hobbyist stuff that's at worst kind of cringe and/or annoying (people playing with open source local models, who sometimes spam the worthless output in much the same people who just discovered poser or daz spammed the worst CGI renders you've ever seen everywhere starting in the mid 00s).
It feels kind of like if someone kept hearing about how bad "drones" (remote control military weapons) are and decided to wage a protracted peoples war against the local amateur battlebots scene because they didn't understand that these are complete different things.
Big agree and basically what I think every time I read a hexbear comment that makes me think the last time they interacted with an llm was 3 years ago and that they seem to think the quality of its output has remained static since then. people literally calling it "a markov chain" as if that's when accurate and as if having "a markov chain" bot that is able to pull, contextualize, and then present information in a way that is convincingly human (in that yes, it would pass the turing test) is somehow meaningless.
like there's people here who clearly seem to believe it's literally equal to an AOL chatbot from the 90s and they are just so incredibly incorrect
there's also people who seem to forget china greatly mitigated the environmental costs with deepseek and you don't have to burn up a quarter acre of amazon for every token and that, gosh, perhaps a good number of issues with llms and their use stem from something called capitalism in the same way as numerous other technologies rather than being inherent to those things themselves
We don't think it has remained static, we realize the "AI companies" have been implementing bandaid after bandaid to try and compensate for fundamental lacks in the technology itself, and that as a consequence results are better now (for like 1000x the cost but who's counting - well we all will, soon, but you get the point).
But this is still a credible text generator, ultimately close to a larger, N-dimensional markov chain. It still "hallucinates". It's still shit. It's still almost entirely useless for coding (you know, if you care about long or even medium-term maintainability or security), never mind the other use cases they're trying to sell it for. It does not work.
And if it did (it doesn't !), the aforementioned bandaids would have made the cost impossible to justify anyway.
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Burning much less energy for something useless and bad is still bad. Not doing it would still save lots of energy. I also do not care if it's "improved" since 2023, whatever that means, it's a fundamentally useless technology as it is applied to chatbots and whatnot. Every uncritical interaction with LLMs makes the user dumber and less able to think for themselves.
If this was contained to scientific work like helping doctors identify cancer cells, I would be entirely cool with it. That is the falsest equivalency ever though, the stated goals are entirely not that.
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i called someone a Promptitute and someone unironically told me not to say that, just so much.
Yeah that's an extremely shitty thing to say, unironically. You're throwing sex workers under the bus to dunk on AI gooners. Come up with a better insult. Fuck off if you disagree with this part. Sex workers are workers.
i was under the impression that were explicitly against genAI but i found that some people are actually VERY pro genai and quite dismissive of its risks.
I'm anarcho-communist, anti-capitalist, pro-ecology, anti-colonial, and against the notion that we need or want truly intelligent machines...but I am pro-mathematics and pro-liberatory-technology. If we had introduced these tools sustainably, as a strictly voluntary choice, as a tool for the workers and not as a cudgel to destroy people and ensure worker precarity, as a tool and not a simulation of slavery and a simulacrum of the most obnoxious parts of capitalism, at a scale and rate that the ecology could support...these tools would be beloved by the people who benefit from them, and invisible to everyone else. Put simply: the monsters (capitalists and their allies) ruined a good idea, once again.
As other users have pointed out, machine learning and its derivatives have had, and will continue to have, liberatory applications. It is unfortunate that the artificial "intelligence" community gave their work that name, and I think we should reject it.
But I refuse to give the capitalists a monopoly over the use of mathematics!
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There's a couple Hexbear users that are into it, but they tend to focus on the open models and running them locally. Overall consensus here is that gen AI is very bad.
I recognize the uses of it when implemented in some beneficial way, but understand the need to remove the enormous negative externalities. A sort of anti-luddite yet still sympathetic to hating the machine kind of person. I hope the bubble bursting destroys its use as a fact checker and fake-friend though. That shit is way worse than useless and the externalities are the greatest in those realms.
The return of a good search engine is the only thing that will destroy it as a fact checker.
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I absolutely loathe generative AI and everything about it. As a software worker I'm kind of in the belly of the beast. 99% of my colleagues are clapping like seals at the most soulless diarrhea from a butthole fuck-ass slop images they've generated of our company mascot riding a canoe or whatever the fuck. Haha look at this photo I had gemini make to celebrate summer coming up, isn't it fun? Every time I have to exercise herculean restraint to not roll my eyes back into my skull. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it so much. I don't use it at all, ever, not because it wouldn't be helpful in my work, but purely out of pure spite. I just fucking hate it so much.
The one arguably maybe I guess good thing about this bullshit is that, ironically, it's made me able to appreciate actual real human art much more. Like, I have a whole new level of appreciation for people that take the time and effort to make a 45 second mspaint sketch instead of having the nightmare engine hallucinate an image for them. Same with music that's kinda shitty, it might not be GOOD good, but damn someone really made that shit with their own two hands, and that rules. Even just reading an email that has grammatical errors and ZERO em-dashes or emoji will bring a smile to my face, because at least someone fucking made it.
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LLMs suck and the people who love them are likely the same people who were convinced that NFTs and meme coins were the future as well.
i literally saw someone comparing gen ai in art to sewing to make clothes and im still so upset about this because it was supposed to be a ”comrade”.
That makes no sense at all? If they’re talking about mechanical sewing machines then that’s most comparable to digital art, not generative AI.
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Way, way, wayyyyy too much "i know genai is bad but i use it in this one case" justifications going on around here.
Please stop using it entirely. Rely on your own brain and if you are not capable, learn to be capable.
Agreed, didn't expect so many home users drinking the koolaid. Ulysses would have had a field day.
And I suspect many of those users are among the tech-savvy, too, sadly.
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Call me a Luddite but the only AI I’ll ever care about went number one in the 96 nba draft. Oh you want AI to give you “the answer”? AI is The Answer
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i called someone a Promptitute and someone unironically told me not to say that
That term is belittling towards sex workers which is why you got pushback, if I saw that here I'd remove it without question
GenAI is a tool. Under capitalism, the current dialectic is defined by the enclosure of the cognitive commons: tech monopolies hoard the "means of computation," accelerate ecological destruction via powerhungry data centers in a fossil energy dominated political economy, and use llms to deskill and lay off the working class to protect profit margins.
But these contradictions are also the cracks where alternatives can grow. The leftist response shouldn't be Luddism imo. We must fight to decommodify compute (e.g. via promotion of open-source), demand worker control over AI integration to prevent deskilling and layoffs in various fields, and enforce strict ecological limits on data centers. Ultimately, our goal is to sublate AI from a mechanism of capitalist immiseration into a collective tool for post-scarcity and human liberation. Anyone who says llms aren't useful is kidding themselves imo
Tech is cool, but current bubble is on Metaverse level of delusion
I call for Butlerian Jihad
So many sloppers...
Maybe don't use the machine that outputs mediocrity and destroys your cognitive abilities? That is fundamentally unreliable and unable to be audited, and which can easily be tweaked to distort your worldview.
The comment ratio and hostile discussions have gotten out of hand so I'm gonna lock this.
As another note, do not use terms such as "promptitute" that are anti-sex-worker.
I'm sure you can find much more effective insults that aren't predicated on the stigmatization of prostitution. I mean, generally I think finding cute little derogatory terms for something without any specific descriptive use is kind of immature and Reddit-y, but I doubt I'll move you on that so at least find a less reactionary insult.
I proudly wear the moniker of Luddite. They were never against the fundamental technology, but the destructive ways society employed them, and they actively fought against it, as we should now.
The Luddites were right then, and they're right now.
The luddites WERE wrong though, destroying machines instead of seizing them to utilize their productivity gains to benefit the peasantry. They were petty bourgeois jet ski dealership owners in terms of where their ideology took them. They had valuable handicrafts which industrialization threatened, so they tried to destroy industrialization to protect them, benefiting no one but themselves and their direct communities which benefited from their local artisanry and i don't even know for how long because obviously they just kept building machines
Imagine an alt history Britain where the luddites seized the machinery, seized weaponry, expropriated the landowning class at gunpoint, and we got industrial communism a century early from within the heart of the British empire
In that context imo the luddites look like proto Fed shit, like if the British government had the foresight we have looking back i think it was very advantageous for the movement to focus on destroying technology to protect artisan wages, rather than the alternative of an awakening of proletarian and peasant class consciousness and solidarity, using seized machines and their output for the benefit of all
I mean, imagine the propaganda win for communism if rather than having to wistfully dream of a world in which modern industrial output could feed, clothe, and secure the lives of us all, Kropotkin only had to write about how it had already occurred within his lifetime, in the heart of the world hegemon.
Yeah, Luddites suck because they failed to stop their own proletarianization. Their efforts were doomed because non-Luddite workers were still installing the machines. It's a form of commodity fetishism. Instead of seeing those machines as products of labor with workers behind them that could be won over, the machines are merely seen as static objects that the bourgeoisie just willed into existence somehow. Had there been a critical mass of workers who refused to install those machines, the machines would have disappeared.
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All the problems people have with AI are caused by capitalism. Next question.
I hate AI, it isn't worth the cost because frankly it's just a word guesser. Hardly worth fucking the water up for that
Hexbear as a whole unfortunately does not have a principled stance on this. Many users do reject GenAI, it will most likely have at least a simple majority if not more, but it is not the party line so to speak. I would welcome a change, but the resulting struggle session and implementing a ban on slop will be fairly painful.
Its fine for Hexbear to have a lets say "offical" partyline but I dont think it makes sense for Hexbear to enforce every single issue.
Like for example Microsoft is a bad company . We "should" boycott it. Use Linux instead.... I use Linux.
But I assume that 40-60 percent of Hexbear (or more) still uses a Microsoft OS.
I dont think such a degree of purity is necessary . We are not a revolutionary organization nor party
there should not be a hexbear orthodoxy, but if it needs to exist, i will be its high pontiff and excommunicate all of you as heretical libs using my six foot tall ushanka.
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I use AI to write professional emails, job applications and to edit my resume. I do this because I cannot for the life of me figure out the neurotypical idea of "professional communication" where you have to toe the edge of lying trying to sell yourself, while not actually seeming directly interested, but you have to still seem interested. Nor can I work out the communication where you have to dance around the subject without ever addressing it. When I write these things myself it takes me actual days, I fucking hate that type of writing, might as well ask me to write an epic in latin.
The people that treat it like Google or trust it inherently or use it for creative or personal communication strike me as odd, to be kindest. One of my friends used it to ask for advice on gardening and it ended up killing a plant.
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Two legit uses I've found.
- cancer and disease research
- writing basic codes to help with meningeal tasks.
Probably more scientific uses to model things, but the bulk of it is only harmful. The slop machine sucks and it's being used to make society un-literate.
as a friend and to g**n to... i dont care how much we have in common ideologically, i cant support you g**ning
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