Electric Vehicles
Overview:
Electric Vehicles are a key part of our tomorrow and how we get there. If we can get all the fossil fuel vehicles off our roads, out of our seas and out of our skies, we'll have a much better environment. This community is where we discuss the various different vehicles and news stories regarding electric transportation.
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I can understand having taxes to pay for roads. What I want though, is to have my yearly 200$ dollar road tax fee from my state pro-rated for the amount of time that the gas tax is suspended. There is no fucking reason why EV drivers should be supplying all the public tax dollars for roads while brodozers and pavement princesses pay nothing to rip it up.
Passengers vehicles, including 'brodozers' virtually dont wear roads unless they were built like shit. Its the 40 ton semis that destroy roads.
That will stop this evil EV cars
Fine. Remove the fuel tax and switch to a yearly car tax on all vehicles.
The fuel tax is appropriate I think. Larger vehicles that do more damage typically use more fuel, get taxed more. Smaller vehicles that do less damage get taxed less. Driving more gets taxed more. I think we lean into it rather than away.
Quadruple the fuel tax, throw the proceeds toward building out the fast charger network, incentivizing solar charging at home through tax incentive programs, and expanding access to public transit options. All while phasing out fuel subsidies completely.
Fuel only wins right now because it's entrenched and subsidized. My buddy pays $6 worth of electricity to fully charge his electric subaru overnight. Removing the thumb on the scale toward fuel use will cause the electrification movement to cascade.
No it's not appropriate because we're driving to work to make a profit for our billionaire owners, so i have to buy a car pay the gas pay the maintenance eat the depreciation that i cannot deduct like a business and then on top of that i have to pay for the roads out of my salary too all so the owners can make more money tax free
Doesn’t the US have a road tax on vehicles?
No. Just gasoline taxes that pay for roads and general taxes that pay for everything (including roads).
Federally? No. At the state level it varies a lot.
This is absolutely, completely pants-on-head idiotic.
So, par for the course for Congress.
Not idiotic. Malicious. They know exactly what they're doing on this.
Committee leaders said in a statement the levy was needed to ensure all highway users “pay their share” as part of an effort to supplant the gas tax to help pay for transportation projects.
I would be ok with this, as $130-$150 a year is not astronomical and hypothetically would be going towards the public good, but with this administration, I don't think they will be putting any money into actually improving life for the general public.
If it were pitched as an excise tax for all motor vehicle owners: sure.
This is specifically targeted on EVs. It’s an attempt to make EVs slightly less appetizing to the general public. Remember who is in charge of the house at the moment.
I believe that it was def a handout to gas and auto companies, but there is not currently a way that EVs are contributing to the public roads in the same way as gas taxes, right?
Edit: Looks like some states do have an annual fee for EVs already.
Par for a paid Congress. It wasn't like this and never was directly corrupt as the right has become.
I already fucking pay an extra $225 a year for my EV tabs in Washington state, which ICE car drivers are completely exempt from paying. This is idiotic.
Also how would they even implement it? Federal government doesn't process car tab renewals..
heh. heh. heh. That will teach them for making sensible economic decisions!
The party of free market economics and small government.
Others pointed out its probably to replace the gas tax they won't be subject to. And I almost thought it was alright until I remembered most of our roads/infrastructure doesn't get repaired as it is.
Underfunded infrastructure isn't going to improve as a result of less tax though.
Unless there is a deliberate attempt to make EVs pay a lower share of road maintenance costs as part of a plan to increase uptake, with that lost funding collected elsewhere, you're just making roads worse by leaving the tax off.
The gas tax is far below what's needed for the roads
I’m sympathetic to the argument that we replace the 18.5 cents per gallon federal tax with something EV drivers (myself included) still pay. But it should incentivize further EV adoption and not discourage it, and should somehow scale with miles driven (incentives fewer miles driven.)
Tax the tires - those are a major source of pollution for EVs and gas autos alike.
It should be something everybody pays. Not just EV drivers. The only fair road tax is to measure the distance driven every year during a car inspection and use the car/truck/bus weight to charge per mile driven.
This is the perfect time to switch to a mileage tax, because you can get rid of the tax at the pump and politically look like a “winner”, while actually bringing in more revenue. The gas tax hasn’t been raised since 1993.
There a privacy implication for the tracking mileage I’m not thrilled with, and would support an opt-out but paying more than average system.
Gas tax is/was ingenious because it was not privacy invasive and scaled perfectly with use. But not applicable in the age of EVs.
You could do a mileage one based on odometer inspection with a check for tampering. Require it as part of an annual safety inspection. Would be non-intrusive and mostly work ok
What inspection? Nearly everything happens at the state level, if at all. The only ongoing task required from my state is plates/registration, which is just some minor paperwork, a sticker, and a fee. One that's already higher because of EVs. And I only have to do it every 5 years. There are no inspection facilities anywhere near here.
About half the states require a regular inspection including an emissions test
Yeah, you have to renew your registration annually anyway. Just add a field for the odometer reading, and there you go.
I would agree with a yearly fee for electric vehicles. But it needs to be based off mileage not a static number.
The entire purpose of such a fee is to compensate for the lack of gas taxes going back into the ecosystem that ICE vehicles have.
for perspective, at 130$ a year an ICE vehicle would need 706.5 gallons of fuel a year to meet it, and 815.2 gallons of fuel a year for the ending $150 equivalent. Assuming a average 24 Miles/g for residential, that's roughly 16,956 miles for the 706 gallons, and 19564.8 Miles for the 815.2 gallons.
My car has not done more than 3k miles in the last 2 years as I don't need to drive much. realistically I should be paying closer to 11.50 a year or 23 for both. The fact I would be paying the same amount as someone who drives daily constantly is insane to me.
The point is to discourage EVs. Not from tax revenue, but keep the bribes coming from oil and gas to politicians.
I wonder if they’ll miss older ICE vehicles that have been converted.
Because I can totally see a mid-90s sedan going stealth on its electric conversion to avoid said tax.