There won't be real reforms from Democrats because they're complicit and invested in the system staying exactly as it is. Just "nicer."
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The US has to go through the process of fascism only to be conquered or overthrown by socialists, something that didn't happen during the Interbellum or world war II.
Last time they went social democratic to preserve capitalism as US socialists were already drawing their pitchforks.
This time around however, the capitalists want to hold onto power even as their capitalist society is on the brink of collapsing. This time, like last time in Nazi Germany, the US merchants refuse to take any concessions during a crisis, so fascism it has already chosen.
This means the US is already going through a painful transition as fascism is known to be a unstable and (self-)destructive form of governance.
But what is fascism? I have my own take on it and on socialism by the way...

Here you see a table I made that lists all the standard socio-economic forms of governance.
All standard have three sets of people called estates.
The First estate sets the rules, second estate sets the direction of society and the third estate keeps the gears of society running.
This differs I think from the usual socialist picture (correct if I'm wrong) where Marx had in mind that all estates would become one.
It also differs I think from what capitalists think of themselves, because merchants are not mentioned anywhere in the constitution, are not in the government or anywhere in the trias politica and yet they get first row seats in inaugerations and VIP invitations during delegations.
To me, fascism is capitalism, but with a ruling class so powerful that the legitimizer (if that's a word, I make up words) class has become insignificant and with the first estate gone, the ruling class reigns with impunity.
It will collapse and when it does, we will enter a world with a majority of socialist states very soon.
If not, the world will go straight to communism.
I'm afraid the rot has spread much farther than that. Yes, without a violent upheaval of some sort, the U.S. is fucked but the problem had long since broken containment...
In the Borderlands in-game universe, there's references to historical "corporate wars", when there corporations seized political power and promptly began to duke it out to see who was going to be on top of the pile. At least that's how I imagine it in my head. But fuck if it doesn't look like that's the most likely future coming our way.
Never forget, it was Taco Bell that won the franchise wars.
It's FAR more-profound than that: humankind's instinct has to be fundamentally-force-recalibrated.
The Great Filter.
Exactly as bootcamp can force-remanufacture someone's unconscious-mind, their instinct, their identity, their ego, their "nature",
exactly as back in the Tribal Mother Village time, before agriculture, it was Nature which did that to .. those-who-survived,
humankind needs to do that, but at th whole-population scale.
All the different "religions" which have "apocalypse" predictions/prophecies, many of them could be dropped into ALL worlds which do what our world's been doing..
< world has ape-nature people, & it reaches its 1st Industrial Revolution, the Roman Empire equivalent stage, the seedling of the future cascade-of-Industrial-Revolutions >
drop prophecies in, about food-security-wars being global, about end-of-Age-corrupt-empire, about end-of-Age-corrupt-empire-corrupt-leader ( Nero at the end of the previous Age, Trump at the end of the Age of Pisces ), about food-chain-collapse, about migration-wars, about rampaging-imperialism, about DarkTriad/DarkTetrad ruling the world, & if there are significant glaciers on the planet, which are about to be melted, throw-in all the earthquakes & volcanoes predictions, due to tectonic-flexing as thousands-of-cubic-km-of-water gets moved from frozen-on-land to liquid-in-ocean, too..
< let the Age go by, so the seedling is ripening, until.. >
suddenly, 15-centuries ( or so ) after the Roman Empire's expiry, the sapling-stage begins: Industrial Age ( coal/steam/steel ) and then Industrial Age ( communications, telegraph, radio, etc ) and then Industrial Age ( information, computing-machines ), etc is happening..
NOW the breaking of the climate's Equilibrium is forced ( all the "clearing of the forests" to "improve" Earth were just making-certain that this would be impossible to recover from ), with the burning of fossil-fuels..
NOW the redistribution-of-tectonic-forces ( melting ) sets-up the increasing of quakes & volcanoes ( happening, now, btw.. quake-swarms on both west & east sides of California, all around the Pacific Plate, volcanoes in Phillipines?Indonesia?, Killuea, & there's 1 which is 1.3km below the ocean-surface which is putting ash 2.7km up into the sky, yesterday.. )..
NOW the technology-multiplying-our-effect means that Nature CANNOT survive our butchery, so the food-chain's being butchered, & sooner-or-later that's going to become .. fatal.
NOW AMOC is shutting-off.
NOW political-rabies-is-highjacking-countries.
NOW religious/ideological-rabies-is-highjacking-countries.
etc..
So, what's the solution?
Change our unconscious-mind, our ego, our identity, our instinct.
Universe will corner us into either growing-up-or-extinguishing, so it's guaranteed.
We WON'T, grow-up, though, until forced, so .. there won't be many left alive, in 6-decades.
It isn't merely-local: it's racial/whole-species.
The Great Filter.
Either we change-our-nature, XOR we extinguish.
This century.
Which, tbh, is exactly what happened to individuals back in the Tribal Mother Village Time, when they lived among jungle..
No merely-local "fix" is going to change-the-game.
No merely-superficial "fix" is going to change anything meaningful.
Humankind has to change its nature, XOR extinguish.
Just like all worlds do.
Get past species-"puberty" XOR don't.
If not, then .. universe will try elsewhere, eventually.
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It's apparently easier to imagine this kind of bullshit than it is to imagine end of capitalism :S
I think the United States as we knew it is dying. I feel no kinship with the MAGA nor the Epstein Class, my desire to be kind and fair towards that lot has long since evaporated. Odds are, many folks in Tennessee and Minneapolis feel the same.
The United States as those of us who read books knew:
- https://archive.org/details/DemocracyForTheFew16147062951821
- https://files.libcom.org/files/A%20People%27s%20History%20of%20the%20Unite%20-%20Howard%20Zinn.pdf
- https://www.bloomsbury.com/ca/rogue-state-9781350362253
- https://chipublib.bibliocommons.com/v2/record/S126C2462237
- https://www.michael-parenti.org/book-inventing-reality
- https://archive.org/details/pdfy-q0ULBH2DJICRS3Vg
- https://november8ph.ca/psychological-warfare-in-the-strategy-of-imperialism-v-l-artemov
- https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/1958-america-as-overlord
good post
O7
I think the United States as we knew it is dying
I grew up in the US south.
This IS the US as I've known it.
The rest of the country got complacent about the people that supported the splitoff faction that wanted to own people as backwoods hicks and not as a viable threat despite them infesting many of the states that literally sent men to die to stop them. Laughed when they said "The south will rise again" despite them having an outsized power in politics and when called out were nice when they said "It's heritage, not hate."
They were ready to arrest those who went against the president during Bush Jr era. Nixon welcomed them into the fold after LBJ pissed off the Dixiecrats by signing in the Civil Rights Acts and every Republican since, just as the Democrats did before. The country never finished the job and now the house is infested.
You aren't the only one, this has been the rhetoric from the far right for over a decade now. The "Boogaloo Boys" were named for what they forsaw as "Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo". They gained notoriety during Trump's first term, and later rebranded/forked into the Proud Boys. Now you don't hear about any of them as much because they're all hired as ICE agents, military, or working for Hegseth at the Pentagon.
The thing to recognize is, while we're all flirting with the idea that maybe, if we're not careful, we might see a civil war in the US' future, the Trump administration is talking and behaving like we're already in phase 1: determining allegiances and positioning forces.
The trump administration has a lot of factions involved with a lot of different long-term goals, but right now their common goal is to dismantle the US, and they are currently on track. If at some point one or more states decide the only way to put a stop to unconstitutional federal action is through force, they'll use the military to "keep the peace". But that will be the tipping point, and they've been preparing for a while...
What leads you to the belief that the elite have a common goal of dismantling the US?
First off, I'm not a fan of the fuzzy term "elite", but I'll assume we both know what that refers to.
People think the rich just like to get richer, that Musk and Bezos are competing to have the biggest number in their bank account. But no, they have no interest in "USD", they don't care about being crowned "richest person on the playground", they want to own the playground. They don't want to be confined by some government's laws. After a certain point, the only reason to keep accruing wealth is to one day become the government and write your own laws. To me, that goal IS what makes someone "elite". Conversely, a wealthy person who welcomes high taxes on the rich because it makes the society around them better is still wealthy, but not "elite".
The elite are always looking for a route to absolute power, and they all see the Trump administration as an opening and are all jumping at it. The only thing they have in common is they want the US govt to be weakened beyond repair, but where they differ is they all want to be the one to take its place (or retain a position of influence like Little Finger).
Got it. We generally agree on the elite motivation. But I think we disagree on government.
For me, bourgeois government is the structure of collaboration between and among the elite, not a separate entity. So I don't think Musk wants to dismantle the US government, he is playing the game between and among other elites and the field of play is the government that represents the collaboration. In so far as the government limits the power of the elite, it generally does so with the consent of the elite. The problem is that the laws remain even though the state of play changes. The system designed by and for the robber barons of the gilded age didn't work for the entrepreneurial 1950s and the system of the 1950s didn't work for the financial transformation of the 1980s and the regulation of the 1980s didn't work for the tech revolution. None of these were dismantlings of the US but reformations of the system from the old state made by the old elites for the old conditions into a new state by the new elites for the new conditions.
They fundamentally want the US to continue. It gives them a military, a way to repress the masses, access to massive natural resources, a reliable money spigot, and dominating power globally. They don't want to dismantle it. They just need to reconfigure the machine collaboratively to maximize their power.
Revolution is necessary, because the bourgeois state cannot be dismantled and a proletarian state put in place via peaceful means.
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If they thought we could vote our way into socialism, they wouldn't let us vote.
Definitely true!

At this rate, yeah.
I mean, that's how America was originally founded. We got sick of Imperial Britain's shit, fought them to get the fuck away from us. Then, when critical ideals came ahead about slavery, we had our civil war. We definitely need another, but the problem is, with how the world has changed.
Because, it'll be very bloody simply because one side will have all of the guns and ammunition (Government, police, military .etc) and the opposing side would only have numbers. In either case, it would send a very impactful and long-standing message about what happens when things are left unchecked for too long.
I don't think Democrats are that interested in fixing or helping things anymore, they have their own agendas, disguised in the form of progressive measures. They helped fund ICE earlier this year. They didn't fight hard enough to prevent any measures Trump and Republicans have taken that has undone what progress we have done.
So, if shedding blood has to be the answer to make anyone see or realize what really needs to be done, then that's what it is going to take.
You should really rethink the American Revolution. The crown was a restraining force on the colonists' genocidal drive Westward, and legal cases were proceeding that were lying the groundwork to end chattel slavery. Both of these things, coupled with the massive economic potential of North America that was being subordinated to London's financiers and the crowns taxation all led to the American Revolution. It was first and foremost a drive for unfettered greed and unfettered dominance.
The Civil War was not about ideals. It was about economics. The North saw much larger profits in industrializing compared the cash cropping of the South. Cash cropping meant remaining subordinated to London, primarily. The cotton from the plantations were raw materials. It was London that turned them into high fashion. Essentially, what we see today in overexploited nations where the people are employed in the lowest rung of the value chain like cobalt mines and what not, that's what the American South was economically. The Northern financiers wanted to move to industrializatoon and that would require a different labor configuration. You can't use illiterate chattel slaves in factories, you need a different mode of labor. That would inevitably mean changing the nature of ownership of human beings from private property to wage slaves. And that meant the South would lose their investments both in cash cropping and in humans. So the South seceded in order to create a separate nation with a separate economy from the industrializing North. And the war was fought under the command of Lincoln who not only didn't care whether slavery persisted or not but believed that black people should leave the US and go back to Africa. His Emancipation Proclamation only offered emancipation to enslaved people in the rebelling states and only if they took up arms against the rebels. It was a recruitment gambit, not an expression of ideals.
As for war, we have consistently seen how guerilla warfare always beats the empire. Hell, the American Revolution was won primarily as a guerilla war and not a direct confrontation. Vietnam. Korea. Afghanistan. It's imminently plausible for the US military to lose to a domestic uprising. And even more important, war is primarily a destruction of economies first, people second. The US is struggling desperately to manage its own economic output and can barely produce war machines and munitions at this point. A civil war would further destroy the economy here, cementing China permanently and the UD elites would have nowhere to go except back to Europe which is also floundering.
I hope there is. War is never the answer but these two parties are really pushing everyone to extremes