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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 113 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Stop making everything political!

The national anthem of people who love the status quo!

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 60 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The national anthem of people who love the status quo!

Of 40 years ago.

[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 22 points 2 weeks ago

For now. They'd ideally prefer 400 years ago.

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[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 73 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The worst part about the article (see comment for source) is that in a sense, the author isn't wrong. Developing skills helps with challenges, whether they are caused by a neurodivergency or not. Also, labels can limit people and people can hold themselves back because of seeing their condition as innate and not changeable (which it is, but everything around it can change). I don't doubt that her autism diagnosis was not useful for her and she feels better letting it go. And there are very toxic elements in the neurodiversity community, just like in other communities.

The problem is that none of the above actually invalidates the diagnosis. It's all context in which the life of the person with the diagnosis plays out. So she may very well still be autistic by any reasonable definition. I don't know her. And the attitude which this kind of article permits others to take can be scary.

ADHD Sidebar Rant(This doesn't get into my big issue with a large swath of the DSM, which calls a bucket of symptoms a diagnosis without any understanding of underlying causes. With other medical fields we've often found that there are multiple diseases underlying the population of patients with a cluster of symptoms (e.g. recent discovery of multiple variants of Parkinsons with different origins). I personally suspect that there are multiple distinct conditions that underpin what we currently bucket as "autism", and same with many of the other conditions in that section of the DSM. The only one we understand even reasonably well is ADHD, AFAICT. We at least have brain differences and some genetic components mapped out, but we're still learning more all the time, e.g. recent study which suggests primary mode of operation of the condition is reward, not attention, which is why stimulants work.)

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[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 64 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

I managed to get past the paywall on the article somehow, so here's the actually important stuff:

But for a community organized around social impairment, they maintained an astonishing number of social rules. Certain language and beliefs were treated as harmful, and activists policed them aggressively. Terms like high-functioning, low-functioning, severe, and profound were condemned as “ableist.” Again and again, I watched popular accounts direct their thousands of followers to comment sections so they could scold people for using the wrong language or expressing the wrong views about autism.

AKA "muh free speech"

Activists reserved particular contempt for anyone who upheld the medical understanding of autism spectrum disorder, targeting organizations, researchers, and universities that treated autism as a disorder and supported work on its causes, treatment, or cure. They compared that work to eugenics and tried to shut it down through petitions, harassment, and public pressure. Too often, they succeeded.

"We should 'fix' autistic people, why doesn't everyone agree with me???? 😢"

when I began referring to myself with the term Asperger,

The response was fierce. Activists rejected the idea that there was any sort of hierarchy in the autism spectrum.

"Why don't people like it when I use an outdated term, removed from the DSM-5, that is often used to imply low intelligence of autistic people and want me to use the more broadly accepted inclusive term instead????"

Then, my life changed. In 2022, after working for several years as an artist, I became a journalist. The career shift was spurred by my discovering the stories of detransitioners: mainly young women who had once identified as transgender and now no longer did, and whose experiences were largely ignored by mainstream media. I could relate to them; many of them, like me, had struggled deeply as teenagers and searched for a label that seemed to explain their suffering. As I learned more about their experiences, I was forced to think more critically about how activism and media shape cultural narratives around identity and diagnosis, and how perverse social incentives can lock those narratives into place.

"I saw people detransition and that means that means autism can be a social contagion and because I see it as debilitating I want a reason to believe I'm faking it"

I soon began taking on stories that required heavy reporting. As I spoke with sources, built rapport, asked sensitive questions, and earned their trust, I realized something that should have been obvious much earlier: I do not have a social communication deficit. Not only was I competent at socializing, I was good at it, and I improved the more I did it.

"I'm good at socializing therefore I don't have autism"

Which forced me to ask: What else could have explained my social discomfort? In retrospect, the answer was more ordinary than I wanted it to be. I was a sensitive, introverted child who felt social mistakes intensely. Instead of responding to them by becoming more resilient, I chose to retreat into my interests, because they felt safer than people. Over time, that withdrawal hardened into a pattern.

"Pull yourself up by your bootstraps" but applied to emotions. If she'd just responded better to mistakes, she'd never have been diagnosted as autistic, guys!

My diagnosis unraveled further once I started questioning the other traits I had come to see as autistic. Introversion, high sensory sensitivity, intense interests, and social camouflaging are not exclusively the features of an autist; they are widely distributed across the general population. But using the female autism framework, I came to see them as a meaningful pattern.

"I have a ton of heavily correlated traits that are all often linked to autism, but if I look at them individually instead of recognizing the actual pattern, and say that non autistic people can have them too, that means I'm 'normal!'"

This happened very swiftly, partially because an autism diagnosis is not especially difficult to obtain. The process, which has no objective medical test and relies primarily on self-reported traits interpreted by individual clinicians, leaves enormous room for confirmation bias and error. My own evaluation did not consider alternative explanations for my experiences, only that they had been present since childhood.

"We can't do a DNA test for autism, therefore doctors must be just guessing and patients must be making it up"

Research shows that more and more people, especially young women, are over-identifying with psychiatric diagnoses, desperate for some sort of label to explain their struggles or abnormalities.

"More people are self-diagnosing, therefore trained medical professionals using actual diagnostic methods will also be diagnosing a ton of people with autism that don't have it"

Losing the autism label allowed me to regain something more valuable than certainty: agency. My difficulties did not disappear, but they no longer defined the limits of who I could become. There is comfort in a story that shifts responsibility away from the self. Sometimes that comfort is almost irresistible. But in the end, it is better to believe in the possibility of change than to embrace a narrative that says you never had a choice at all.

"If you think you're autistic, you'll assume you have innate limits and stop trying hard enough." AKA "Autism stops you from reaching your full potential and is a crutch"

[–] jimmux@programming.dev 38 points 2 weeks ago

The whole thing is disingenuous. The use of "Aspergers" is partly discontinued because of fascist associations. It shouldn't be surprising that people don't want to use a classification termed by people who wanted to sort useful autistics from the disposable (as they saw it).

[–] Semester3383@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm on the autism spectrum. I'm high-functioning, what would have been called Aspergers prior to DSM-V. What that means is that I largely function in day-to-day life, and that I don't need significant supports. The term 'Aspergers' is helpful, because people have a rough idea of what you mean when you use it. Austism spectrum disorder is more nebulous. Treating differing levels of support as being 'hierarchical' is not useful, and will--in the long run--tend to mean that everyone gets the same levels of support, rather than people with greater needs getting more support. (Would it be nice to get therapy? Sure. Do I need it as much as other people might? Probably not.)

And fuck yes, if there was a magic pill that I could take and I'd suddenly be absolutely dead-average neurotypical? Yeah, I'd take it. I'd swallow a handful. I'm probably a lot older than a bunch of other people on the spectrum here, and lemme tell you, it does not get better. If anything, the older you get, the worse it is, because the friends you had in school drift away, and you don't make new ones. I know that social lives tend to get worse as people age, but at this point, the ONLY social life I have is two hours of church (non-denom universalist unitarian; I gave up theism years ago) on Sundays.

I have a degree, I have a job that I'm good at, I own a house and land, I have a ton of cats that mostly like me, blah blah blah. But goddamn, I feel very alone.

[–] Tonava@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

And fuck yes, if there was a magic pill that I could take and I’d suddenly be absolutely dead-average neurotypical? Yeah, I’d take it. I’d swallow a handful.

As another on the "high-functioning" category (though not very high I guess since I've failed in life already), I find this always so heart-breaking. I understand exactly where it's coming from, but it is still so sad to me. We are conditioned to see ourselves so flawed, so unworthy, there's no understanding to be given. You look at the others and there's the glass wall you can't cross, and they tell you to come over as if it isn't there. We just can't fit in the narrow roles society has to offer without diminishing ourselves by masking, and that's just suffering alone in a different way anyway.

I can look at myself and think I wouldn't change a thing, since I'm selfish enough to see the problem to be how others treat and perceive me, and very scared of becoming someone else as changing myself on such deep levels would mean. But I also fully agree; it does not get better. Society will not change and people don't even want to, and you cannot change either, because you are you. The mismatch is always there.

I do hope you end up finding people that vibe with you, even if it's totally hopeless now. I'm deeeeep in depression so I have only kind words to offer anymore

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[–] sbeak@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Wait, Asperger's is considered a bad term? I did not know that as someone originally diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome myself (but I did understand that it became incorporated as part of the spectrum).

Doing a bit more research, looks like it's because of its origins in WWII Nazi Germany (and therefore being linked to eugenics, white supremacy, etc., the idea that these people are better than those people). Dang, I definitely did not know that. I will try not to use it then.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

BIG yikes. I hope they find themselves a deep, dark hole to crawl into and never come back out of.

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[–] Alloi@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Autism (neuro divergence in general really) under capitalism, is the engineering equivilent to being a sacrificial gear in a gear box. You have your purpose, you do it well when placed in the proper gear set. But you wear out faster than all the other gears, not because you are a bad gear, but because the system itself was designed to crush you rather than crush the bigger more expensive gears. It was built for their longevity and success, not yours. This is them giving the squeeky wheel or "gear" "the grease" in a fucked up way.

They are trying to gaslight different groups into thinking they are just a regular normal gear, and they need to just work harder, even if it means the gear breaks quicker as a result. We are cheaper to replace than we are to repair, and that is the logic that makes capitalism unworthy of human participation, it is inherently anti human in all spectrums.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

I don't think this is a Capitalist thing explicitly.

Being significantly outside the norm in visible ways is often a problem in any human societies, mainly depending on which traits one has which are most different from the masses and the time and society one is in. I mean, a highly intelligent woman with knowledge of herbal remedies in a 12th century European village would likely be deemed a witch, in a Native American tribe would be a healer and in present day society either nobody would notice or think her as old-fashioned "with all those teas".

I expect that Neuro-divergence, being behavioural, is one of the hardest to accept as "normal" things in any human societies since humans are generally social beings. I mean, in present day in most of the West even Introversion (which is much more prevalent) is often perceived as a problem that people must overcome ("You need to go out more") rather than just another perfectly normal way of being.

As I see it the neuro-divergent are just unlucky of living in an age of cities were it's pretty hard for people to just live away from the rest most of the time and being out of the norm behaviouralliy ratther than say, in terms of body shape or having a preference for unusual foods.

PS: Now that I think about it, the whole insane "grift everything" culture of the Current Late Stage Neoliberal Capitalism probably makes life way harder than it need be for people whose more variant traits negativelly affect social interaction, since in so many areas where merit in that domain was usually enough, now one must "pitch" and "network" a lot to get ahead.

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[–] jeniferariza@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This feels like another recycled playbook: take vulnerable people, create doubt, then sell it as “concern.” People deserve support, not weaponized stigma.

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[–] Vieric@piefed.social 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, good. We're doing this now... These people always have to be on the lookout for new groups they can punch down on just so they can feel big. They sneer at others for needing help, but they are the ones who well and truly need it themselves. Why do they feel this need to belittle others? Is it because they feel small in their own lives? Do they have some hatred that stems from past trauma that needs resolved? Who knows? But instead of working on themselves, whatever form that may take, they instead spend all their time and energy trying to tear down and destroy others. It's a sad thing in the end, but the damage they do to others can not be forgiven or tolerated.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They sneer at others for needing help, but they are the ones who well and truly need it themselves

but that help seems unreachable to them; that's the problem, they see others getting the help they need , don't think can get, or feel ashamed of needing.

[–] lectricleopard@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I disagree. You imply they admit to needing help. I think they're all in denial. They have problems and want to blame everyone but themselves, and are unwilling to take any responsibility.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is it. It's a bunch of angry people who think "Life is supposed to be hard! Deal with it."

They think their life experiences are comparable to everyone else, which creates a logical fallacy:

  1. Successful people don't need help, but must obviously struggle just as much as I do.

  2. I don't have it easy, yet don't need help, so people who ask for it are just being lazy.

They internalize the "life is hard" mantra and assume it's normal to be playing life on hard mode, not realizing some people have the difficulty slider set to very easy while others are on nightmare.

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

IMHO, in a way, it's the desperate, desperate, oh so desperate need of people who can't deal with the uncertainty of Probability and Statistics and thus require everything to be a clearly defined something, no variance, no deviations.

It's the same reason why some people simply can't accept the Theory Of Evolution: the idea that "countless" (not literally, but figurativelly) random variances will yield incremental changes which over time add up to major change is just beyond them, so better have a single (or a handful) of fantastical all powerful beings of unexplained (and never questioned) provenance be the designers and agents of creation of all we see.

As I see it, shit like this is mainly stupid people compensating (in the Psychology sense of the word) for their own inability to comprehend the World as is and without mentally simplify it down to a handful of little labelled boxes.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

So… I am unquestionably ADHD. Like diagnosed in kindergarten, “doctor sees I’m neurodivergent the instant I start talking.”

Maybe AuADHD, still figuring that out.

…But, while I am no doctor, there are almost certainly diagnoses just to get ADD meds or extra time for tests. It was quite rampant in my school.


What I’m saying is, the grain of truth they’re stretching here shouldn’t be forgotten. Misdiagnoses and “false diagnosis” for benefits is definitely a thing for ADD, and it might be one for autism at some point. And pushing back against shameless neurodivergence discrimination shouldn’t cross the threshold of pretending that doesn’t exist.

[–] TachyonTele@piefed.social 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

You can get Gold ADHD now?

[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 12 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I've already ranked up to Diamond /j

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[–] KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago

It's the kind of thing that haunts you and gives you impostor syndrome for the rest of your life

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[–] webkitten@piefed.social 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's funny since if you think you're autistic and it turns out you're not the consequence is literally nothing; your life continues the same as it was before.

Also let's be honest; Christina Buttons is 100% an AI generated character.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Just somebody let me know when I can claim asylum in a more civilized country, as a persecuted class, where that class is 'I am Autistic'.

Till then, I'll continue not publically existing.

The US admin has already publically stated multiple times that they basically wanna holocaust us, send all the people with mental 'disorders', who use prescribed meds... to farm labor detox work camps.

Just go look for quotes from Health Minister Brainworm.

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[–] SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just googled Christina Buttons 😬

So called “investigative” journalist who rails against what she calls pseudoscience while spewing pseudoscience

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 18 points 2 weeks ago

Jesus fucking christ. "I don't meet the broadest strokes possible on interpersonal relationships it couldn't possibly be meee"

I'm fucking asd and i am spectacular at client relationships. You ask anyone who has met me and they will also say "oh yeah there's a spicy meatball". These two are not exclusive, humans spin in different directions.

[–] julianwgs@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Isn‘t autism and many other psychological conditions under and over diagnosed at the same time? A friend of mine got her diagnosis at the age of 31 (under diagnosed) and her doctor talked with her about social media bringing more people to her, which think they have autism, but don‘t (over diagnosing).

I don‘t want to talk anyone out of their diagnosis or give them doubts. As long as there are tests there will always be false negatives and positives and so if you test more it will influence the outcome.

PS: The article is probably bullshit.

[–] Dojan@pawb.social 17 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

What you're describing isn't really an over-diagnosis thing though, it's more that visibility has increased and the stigma has been reduced, so more people go to a professional to have it investigated.

Over-diagnosis would be people who actually get diagnosed with autism but end up not having it.

I think the criteria and diagnosis evolving as the science gets better also has an impact. The idea that only young boys have autism was the prevalent one not that long ago, but we know better now so now more people are being diagnosed with it since we understand it better.

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[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

50 people with names and addresses, you say?

Sounds VERY solvable.

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[–] Ch3rry314@piefed.social 14 points 2 weeks ago

Name and shame them

[–] omgboom@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well what are their names?

[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeh this is not doxxing if they are literally attempting to shape national policy. If you want to be left alone you should leave the fucking laws alone

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[–] Photonic@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So I guess vaccines and Tylenol don’t cause autism anymore either right?

….

Right?

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[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I thought I was autistic but turns out I have a different set of things that manifest similarly on the screeners but have totally different origins and approaches.

I don't think that's what these folks are talking about though.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

The Behind the Bastards episode on autism was fascinating.

I'm not going to do it justice but the tl;dr is that parents felt like it couldn't have been their fault or their genes that made their kid this way. That it must have been vaccines or trans frogs or whatever the fuck they can blame. Because blaming something else made them feel better. And it gave them an excuse to not deal with their kid that has real difficulty.

And, to a certain extent...I get it. I don't agree with them but having a child with a disability was not what they expected.

But you raise the child you have and not the one you wish you had.

[–] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

My mother grew up in a time where it was considered something a mother 'did' to cause it.

Which is why she denies and denies we're autistic.

I mean, everyone who meets the two of us together go "yeah you both are" soooooo.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It seems like nothing they wrote supports their conclusion. I mean look, if you have some challenges, and you find ways to handle them, that doesn't mean you are (or aren't) autistic... But somehow they worked hard to ignore this key point that undercuts everything they wrote.

[–] Akrenion@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

"I do not struggle with X. I got a system."

One of the most telltale signs of autism.

[–] 1D10@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

For me it was " I don't struggle with understanding people's emotions"

Then it was pointed out to me that I have spent years watching people and learning how they work.

Turns out people are my trains.

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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

~~God, I hate looking at non-xkitted Tumblr.~~

Anyway, what terrible thing happened to the person who wrote the article? Were they systematically discriminated against for being autistic when that's something that should only happen to Those Other People or something?

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[–] BigBrownDog@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

"I thought I was autistic. It turns out I'm retarded."

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