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Why is Contrapoints so bad at posting? Is she stupid?

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They did have it together, for like fucking 50 years but you cant cry wolf for multiple multiple times without people noticing. Their propaganda IS great but everything has limits.

Oh hey I just learned she blocked me. Must've struck a nerve on her last post.

Do they not have one of the most advanced propaganda operations of all time? How much harder could they possibly go at laundering their image?

Yeah. The people who have appreciation for Nazis are commonly known as Nazis

I don't think she's making the point she thinks she is making.

It's simple really.

Propaganda is just a form of marketing, with 20th Century propaganda techniques being specifically built and refined by marketing people (Edward Bernays for one). And to create successful marketing you need a sense of who your audience is and what they want. You create market personas that are representative for certain demographics, you do market research, and so on.

Israeli's have been so lost in the sauce of racial/religious supremacism and so cloisted by their fear and hatred for anyone outside it that they've completely lost touch with any sense of who other people are and what they want. You can't understand people well enough to market to them if you think they're all untermenschen and animals who have to be culled. You can't simultaneously understand the actual positions of people you've gaslit yourself into believing are actually bloodthirsty monsters whose entire existence is about destroying you.

This why Israel's actually somewhat successful propaganda over the last 50 years has nearly all come not from Israel and Israeli's themselves, but from an ideological army of white, non Jewish Zionists. Like you might outsource a marketing to a marketing agency, Israel outsourced the majority of it's effective propaganda to a class of people who could be bought and either personally benefit from Israel's position in the middle east or have their own natural supremacist tendencies (Nazis, white supremacists, a way to do 'polite' white supremacy in European centerist politics etc).

The reason that outsourced propaganda from these Zionist outgroups has started to fail is a threefold sequence:

1. Israeli's got insulated enough that they wouldn't shut the fuck up we with their delusional supremacist/victim shit.

2. soft power background noise marketing doesn't work when everyone on the planet is watching you commit the worst atrocities since the Holocaust on their screens every day.

3. When Zionist outgroups couldn't control the narrative they had to crack down on anyone not buying the messaging. That's not marketing but repression at that point. 'What an enlightened and tolerant country we are to try and make sure the horrors of the Holocaust never happen again' is a good marketing strategy. 'We're going to jail your grandma and kids unless you bow before a state ideology that clearly despises you' is not, as it turns out.

(I'm not even going to bother with why IranContrapoints couldn't/wouldn't grasp what that reply very clearly meant 🙄)

I know no one wants to hear it here, but she's right, and not even just technically right. There are tons of people willing to go to bat for genocidal freaks: look at how many people gleefully voted for Kamala, look at the hogs backing Trump. Look at the whitewashing of nearly every former U.S. president.

Theorizing that people "naturally" (whatever that means) reject horrible things is a profound misunderstanding of how people work. It's idealism. There are countless examples of people ignoring, tolerating, or outright supporting atrocities even as they happen around them.

Don't be so hard on Contrapoints, not everyone can see through one of the most advanced propaganda campaigns in human history. She probably already did her research and interviewed people for their opinions, gathered valuable data to verify her theories, tester her theories.

I mean that's why her videos take so long to make, right? Might have been difficult to find a qualified research team, who are willing to do research on Israeli Propaganda, not many are brave enough to actually stand up for what's right, when it hurts their pockets. So Contrapoints has to do research all on her own. She's not like those cowards who care more about wealth than human beings, she is a brave soldier of truth seeking and facts, facts, facts.

usually it takes a four hour video, posted once a year, for KKKᛟnᛏᚱa₽ᛟinᛏᛋᛋ to give a dumb take. maybe she should stop posting and read a fucking book.

I understand what she wants to say (but I don't believe her lol) she just sucks so much it's straight up inhumane to be exposed to whatever she cooks up, she can't say a single thing straight, it's so annoying, yes yes nuance yes yes we get it you are very smart and special philosopher blah blah blah, wow suuuch big words, where would we be without you!

Fucking hell

I feel like there's a significant overlap between people who like Columbus and people who still like Israel but that's just me I guess

Avg western imperialist philosopher. Asking the questions that matter

At this point what are you even doing

Nazi Germany continues to enjoy support from numerous outside admirers to this day.

borderline tagline tbh

The existence of naziboos and the total absence of the concept of an Israboo is interesting.

It's like there's something so bereft of romance for the sniveling bureaucracy of settler colonialism and liberalism. Even the Isntreal apologists talk about the technical definition of genocide and the ineffectual leaders. Nazi apologists paint a picture of a mountain town. You get Unabomber adjacent philosophy, you conveniently benefit from antizionism=antisemitism, you benefit from racism in general as a Nazi.

For Isntreal your cool has to out cool that Houthi guy Hasan had on the stream. You'd have to make it cool to take billions from America and threaten to nuke everyone if you don't get your way.

If you had a ridiculously attractive+ethereal looking Israeli woman (your target audience would have to certainly be cishet men) and did a montage of war with "I'd let the world burn" you could get a foot hold. You get cultural pressure from Nazis if you angled anything about international oppression, so homeland is a tough foothold.

It's tough. Nazis got a lot of support and they suck the air out of the room for up and coming fascism.

Israeli propaganda is bad because it centers around the idea that wanting an enthno-state theocracy is a completely normal political aspiration while at the same time pretending the enthno-state also practices democratic pluralism. The Zionist authorities have become so enamored with the zionist project they either don't know or don't care what comes across as sensible to someone who lives thousands of miles away from Israel and perhaps has very little stake in encroaching settlements. Like the propaganda about how Hamas will take over the entire world and institute a global pogrom just doesn't hit. No one believes that outside the most blinkered Zionist.

Furthermore the propaganda is laser directed at maybe three demographics, so it comes across as alien and hyperspecific if you don't belong to their audience. Zionist propaganda is intended for: American Islamophobia liberals who aren't Jewish, American reactionary evangelicals who believe the apocalypse is happening in two months, and young Jewish people living outside of Israel.

And none of those groups necessary share political or economic interests, the only thing that may tie them together is a bloodthirsty hatred of Muslims but even that's a stretch and isn't as unifying as Israel thinks it might be

I think it's not about the genocide, but the propaganda around the genocide, it has been going around for decades after all. Like I've felt like recently too, like I know it's bullshit but at least have the decency to fucking lie to me properly, you're not even trying. And also considering how long this genocide has been going on for I do think her follow up response has a point.

Its not about the genocide its the narrative aroound it.

I think it's also highlighting how we have also collectively learned the playbook where we know to recognize the signs around the media trying to manufacture consent better now compared to decades ago.

what a shitty asshole

i hear the mods are working on a new

Why is everyone debating these utterly meaningless tweets

There's a case to be made, though perhaps not a very strong one, that societal development creates a favorable environment for progressive values.

As geopolitical norms (lol) mature and interstate conflict becomes less common and literacy improves and life expectancy rises while birth rate falls, people around the world have an inclination to see other people around the world as their fellows, and have some level of sadness or outrage when humans are slaughtered in acts of aggression.

I've thought this since I was a lib, but I don't think it's very airtight, maybe more coincidental like the "better angels of our nature" that known Epstein affiliate Steven Pinker extols over the past half century. But I'd like to think that in general, people care about the whole of humanity when their needs are met and they are not aggressively propagandized to or threatened.