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Or do people think that Lemmy is a neutral, open-minded, safe community? Not like evil Reddit.

EDIT: Talking about mainstream instances like ml or world.

See examples of violent comments towards me and instead of mods removing their comments, they removed mine.

The comment that the all caps person was replying to was me saying that there are non-human targets. Users were assuming I want to kill people and turns out they are the ones that want to kill.

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[–] CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)

Let's not paint Lemmy as a whole based on .ml. It is, notoriously, the dumpsterfire of the Fediverse.

Edit: Like minded people sharing and discussing is not an echochamber, at least until you start excluding good faith points of view because they challenge your beliefs.

Ignoring, downvoting and censoring bad faith rhetoric, like most of .ml, or US Maga, Russian agitprop, Chinese propaganda and similar dis/misinformation is perfectly reasonable and logical. Same goes for domestically produced bullshit.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Totally fair. I’ll update the post.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Let’s not paint Lemmy as a whole based on .ml

Id argue anyone that doesn't have that instance blocked are in an echo chamber and are fully aware of it.

It's hard to argue anyone doesn't immediately recognize what that is.

Yes because .world is so much better lol

[–] AskewLord@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

True, but lemmy.ml is VERY active. So they generate a lot of noise. The userbase also can't help themselves from going into other instances communities and harassing the users there and pushing their agenda and then crying foul when they are called out on their extremist views.

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[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's a reason why .ml is defederated of many instances and so many other people have the whole instance blocked. They are... not the best of the fediverse.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago

Lemmy.ml isn't widely defederated to my knowledge.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

What are some good non-mainstream, non-tankie instances that have a variety of communities and decent user interaction?

[–] AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I have an alt account on sh.itjust.works. It's canadian based and they are pretty cool. For the variety of communities, you don't really need to worry that much. The beauty of the fediverse is that we are all connected. As proof, I'm replying to a lemmy.world post from a piefed.social account while I browse the /all that shows me the entirety of the lemmy/piefed social.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For sure. I subscribe to some of their communities. What I should have asked was which instances are not tankie echo chambers, and amongst those are there enough communities and activity.

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[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Lemmy is a neutral, open-minded, safe community?

A community cannot both be neutral and safe. Being safe involves picking a side and pushing back against harmful shit. Being neutral involves letting the harmful shit slide, as long as it's hate presented in a civil and polite fashion.

Which is to say, I have absolutely zero interest in a "neutral" community.

[–] AskewLord@piefed.social 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So stay in your echo chamber.

Other people believe neutrality can exist and actively practice it. You basically are claiming anyone who isn't on your side, is against you, and therefore is hateful. That's an actively hostile position to work from.

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If you're not on the side of any marginalised group, if you're neutral about their marginalisation, then you are ok with them being marginalised.

Which is why, as I said, a community can not be both neutral and safe.

Edit - Imagine my surprise when it turns out you're a transphobe who complains about being called out for hate speech for having "moderate" opinions about trans folk

[–] Cleisthenian@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

It's only an 'echo chamber' when they're the minority. Every website must be populated by bigoted assholes!

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 9 points 1 month ago (11 children)

I think your missing the point of federation. If some place is crappy or you feel its run by crappy folks you can go to another or start your own. You could sorta do that on reddit but ultimately it went to a single authority. Whats nice here is I can hang or places or not. This gets back to my big thing. Blocking. Instances should avoid blocking and such as much as possible but users should do it liberally. This piss you off. Block the community so you don't accidentally engage with it in future. We literally can make the experience we want and the whole. you will put yourself in a bubble thing. thats fine. I put myself in a bubble any time I decide to hang out in place or folks in the real world or avoid places and folks. im fine with that. When the internet was smaller and not so full of trump it was maybe I wanted to see everything but now Im more looking to avoid the trumpy trump that is all over the place.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fantasizing about participating in a war is pretty shitty, regardless of whether or not non-human targets exist. You could fantasize about winning a drone racing or stunt competition instead and look way less psychopathic.

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Calling for OP's death over that fantasy is way more shitty though. And the moderators left that up.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 2 points 1 month ago

ESH.

OP, the dude replying, and Ozma.

[–] Bazell@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 month ago

This question is hard to answer considering how low interactions with Lemmy.ml we try to have.

[–] Illecors@lemmy.cafe 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're right about the bias.

I propose you look for an instance that does not federate with .ml

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

Thanks. I didn’t realize ml was so infamous. How do I know if they federate with them or not?

[–] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

It can be handy to look at fediseer too:

https://gui.fediseer.com/instances/detail/lemmy.ml

For example, one instance seems to have blocked lemmy.ml for:

  • poor moderation
  • toxicity
  • abusive admin
  • red fash
  • misinformation
  • brigading

And lists evidence as:

In short: Lemmygrad-lite
-- Poor moderation / misinformation: worldnews@lemmy.ml is a cesspool of misinformation.
-- Red Fash/abusive admin: Mention anything negative about China or Russia and see how fast you get banned. Signups require quoting something from an approved list of communist dogma.
-- Toxicity: (Gestures vaguely in all directions).
-- Brigading: It may not be organized brigading, but every 3rd comment from users there is basically someone jumping in with "capitalism bad" and tearing down any discussion/ideas for improvement that aren't complete and total destruction of the current economic model

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lemmy is pretty tolerant compared to Reddit. Having said that, .ml is a tankie hellscape that is the lefts version of maga.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

(a) In all seriousness, people, unless you're specifically into that sort of thing, just don't use lemmygrad.ml, hexbear.net, or lemmy.ml communities. Going there, having a bad time, and then coming back and reporting on other instances how much things suck there just wastes your time and wastes the time of people who are already avoiding those instances.

(b) If you specifically want to complain about conditions there, there's a whole community dedicated to that, !meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works. Or if you want to complain specifically about moderator/admin actions, !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for the info. Even after a year or so on Lemmy I’m still figuring things out.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 2 points 1 month ago

Fair enough, I guess, if you didn't know. I shouldn't grouse at you.

[–] choui4@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I see so much hate for ml but every conversation ive had with a ml or MLM is fine and very thoughtful. Whats the issues?

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