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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
“My thinking wasn’t broken, just noisy — like mental static,” the senior manager continued. “What finally snapped me out of it was realizing I was working harder to manage the tools than to actually solve the problem.”
Omg constantly fact checking and tweaking the lying machine is actually slower than just thinking. Who would have guessed?
It also kills your ability to solve problems, since you're hitting that easy button constantly.
This is exactly the kinda thing keeping me away from so-called "modern" programming languages.
Too many tools and nonsense to manage ; I want to program the computer, not "orchestrate a build pipeline" with 10+ different tools running on different machines, doing some nonsense with their own bespoke syntax and quirks...
Not sure what you're considering as "modern", but as someone why cut their teeth on C++ and still actually enjoys it, plenty of modern languages have their uses. It really depends on what you're looking for, but I've spent years in C++ and will still use python as a go to for small projects.
It's modern javascript/typescript you're talking about, isn't it?
They're an edge case IMO, and largely the issue is actually modernizing old languages. If you take something like Go or Rust as an example for a modern language, it's actually nice because the tooling is standardized for the language. In particular, the dependency management is built into the standard tooling.
Now you can always make it more complex by doing things like including docker in your build pipeline and maybe even creating pipelines that automatically deploy to kubernetes on a successful build... But all that is completely optional for like 99% of scenarios.
Interesting article.
I would share this with my colleagues on our 'AI Discussions' channel. But I know what the result will be. "Those people just aren't using the agents correctly", "they need to provide the agents with moar context!!1!", "this article is bad because I don't like what it says", "those respondents are just lazy or stupid".
Personally, I've noticed this kind of mental exhaustion myself. I've tried leaning more heavily into AI usage because my employer encourages it. But it's usually so damn frustrating.
I've found even the better/cutting edge LLMs struggle with basic troubleshooting, even when you provide them with solid context and try to keep the scope limited. Half the time they do great, but the other half they fail pretty spectacularly, and I end up wasting time trying to police/hand-hold them.
And I can't even rely on these LLMs to reliably perform more menial tasks like formatting CSV data into JSON. They usually just stop the conversion after some arbitrary point, or they fuck up the structure of the output. Again, no matter how much context it detail I provide them.
These are all things some of my colleagues have found as well. Meanwhile, I'm also seeing other people become overly reliant on LLMs/agents, and accept whatever slop they produce as gospel while claiming it as their own work.
And that's not even covering the knowledge/skill atrophy that I've witnessed. A lot of people learn and hone skills through repetition. But overuse of AI kills that opportunity, while offering unreliable immediate results.
LLMs are only more efficient when you don't even know how to start doing a thing. Once you have even a primer on any subject, you'd probably be better off muddling through to a solution on your own.
This is where they are most useful for me
And I can't even rely on these LLMs to reliably perform more menial tasks like formatting CSV data into JSON. They usually just stop the conversion after some arbitrary point, or they fuck up the structure of the output. Again, no matter how much context it detail I provide them.
Use them to produce a script that converts CSV into JSON instead of having the LLM do it directly. More transparent, reliable, and resource efficient
This is exactly my experience. Even when sharing milquetoasty articles, like the AGENTS.md one just to test the waters.
Mind sharing that article here?
I can't find the article, but this was the paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.11988.
I just wanted to point out that the myriad of "best practice" articles and information on AI are not very rigorous. So, not even necessarily an argument against AI (the paper sure isn't). Even then it got pushback.
So teaching chickens to use AI would be useful to make fried chicken.
Maybe pursuing infinite, unbounded productivity gains forever isn’t sustainable. Maybe we need to build systems that work for people.
It's a symptom of the times. Saw an ad earlier this week "tired, stressed? This will rob your body of important nutrients, get this vitamin pill to replenish them!". Instead of reducing stress.
Somehow, maybe through the societal focus on individualism, we've gotten to this point where it's all the individuals fault. It's all about doing whatever it takes to get ahead, screw your body and peers, if you can't take it, you're too weak and a loser. But we'll sell you products to cope! And people internalize this, are proud of working more efficiently at the cost of their health. That's the really sad part, many actually start wanting this.
The system actively works against people and tries to train them to yearn for more of the same.
Colloquially, it’s the rat race. There’s nothing inherently wrong with striving nor sacrifice, but we must ask: to what end? At what cost? To what success if it costs you your soul? It better be worth it.
Social focus on individualism sounds like a dog’s focus on chocolate.
I'm seeing this with my boss. He used to be a little scatterbrained, but the more he uses AI the less he actually gets done and the more frantic he seems doing it.
Decades of ADHD prepared me for this
This should be a surprise to absolutely nobody.
I'll use them for very simple CRUD apps with easily verifiable logic, for work because my employer cares about speed more then quality but that's about all I'll use them for.
Increased speed? Maybe half the time.
Brain fry used to be something you needed drugs to get.
Kinda sounds like lack of sleep?