100% keen on keeping it. Expanding it to keep all political discussions out would be nice but I know that won't happen.
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Expanding it to keep all political discussions out would be nice
Not even possible. Every post would devolve into a discussion of what's political.
The rule is currently US politics, where I would like to expand it to other countries because /r/Europe turns into US politics because "it effects Europe"
It seems that the rule seems to work well enough here as is. In addition to the rule, how you enforce it is equally (if not more) important too.
Just narrow the definition of politics to party politics plus named subjects.
For the love of god, keep it as it is!
As a US citizen, keep the rule. As laid out in the text of the rule, there are already communities where questions of that nature can be asked.
Agreed here. People should wonder what normal life like can be in the USA than our politics. Not saying it's great, but I think it gives better insight than who people voted for.
Keep the rule as is. US politics already gets brought up enough already.
!AskUSA@discuss.online exists so I say this rule should stay. I feel bad enough about the deluge of US news our non-yank co users deal with as it is.
but that also doesn't exactly like "overt politics"... whatever that means
Ah yeah my mistake. Whatever politics comms they link to in the sidebar is what I meant. I want to say askpolitics? Yup.
I’d like to add this:
If you are a chronic political poster, please think of yourself as someone who crates ads. We currently live in a world where ad creators think they have a god given right to shove ads into every square inch of our existence. And naturally, this is universally hated and people go to great lengths to block as many ads as they can because the ad makers won’t stop and think they have to do this.
That’s you. You’re the ad maker. And that’s how you’re perceived.
I know where I stand politically. I’ve known my entire adult life and I won’t be changing. I also know where to go to update myself on what’s going on politically, both locally and globally. I like having the option of going to it voluntarily and not having it imposed on me involuntarily. I like having the option of turning it off when I want/need to. I have never in my entire existence had a positive or productive or enlightening political discussion with anyone on the internet, ever. I just end up wrestling pigs and I’d rather channel my energy elsewhere. I’d imagine a lot of people agree with that sentiment.
That all being said, keep the rule. There are people who will still post political shit here because they can’t help themselves, regardless of what gets said in this thread.
it make sense on a niche community, but an ask anything community it will just devolve into politics eventually anyways.
Where do you draw the line between world news and politics? I mean the president launching airstrikes on Iran for Israel's forever war, is that politics? The US annexing Greenland? The US bullying the EU into letting tech run roughshod over their users?
What about the EU imposing age checks and chatcontrol as a trojan horse to get inside liberal democracy to id every account and every ip and connect it to id cards and likeness, and run everything a person does or says through AI threat detection, run by Palantir type organizations, to make secret social scores to be used in secret in myriad ways against people in ways they can never know and not challenge? Is that politics?
It's impossible to extract world news from politics completely is it not? I personally have been ignoring whatever dumbass shit the president has been saying, and political news myself, just trying to follow events, but you can't separate them completely.
Please keep it and I would even say to enforce it more strictly because I see so many question that I would categorize as US politics that are still allowed.
It's possible to imagine people having good questions about US politics, e.g. something like "I'm considering running for this public office in this state, what do I need to know about x?" but good luck crafting a rule that allows that and not the worthless noise.
I'll put it this way. I would prefer zero politics. If you allow them I'm gone.
People who want to talk politics can easily create their own place to do so and nothing is preventing them from joining other places that are political discussion havens.
There are other communities to discuss politics, usa or any country. I say keep politics out.
Yeah keep it. The pedo dictatorship can be discuss in other communities.
Fuck America, that's my take.
Keep.
Political questions are almost always either bait or pure laziness
Keep it. There's more than enough places to discuss politics.
I really like how this rule turned out on UK subreddits like r/casualUK. It makes for a much more relaxing community.
I think it’s a great rule!
To me, the links to alternate communities are essential. They allow you to set restrictions while still maintaining a helpful atmosphere. Sometimes, people have legitimate, good-faith questions, and don’t know where to ask them. Those links help demonstrate a real concern for the users. Well done!
I think it should be expanded into a rule of no politics in general. While the us politcs have the most effect(are most know worldwide) EU poltics and so on should also not be discussed here imo
I don't see a problem with a bunch of European-specific questions being asked, so I question the need for an expanded rule.
If you broaden the rule, you run at risk of banning or discouraging desirable questions. Stuff about economics or lifestyle. Those are "political" too, after all.
I mean yo run the risk of banning some stuff regardless of if you only ban us politcs or eu politcs. What would be a reason why questions about european politcs would be any different than us politcs. best would be to just ban polutics in general, while keeping lifestyle/economical stuff etc, this would however require some nuance
Edit: to specify i don't mean to ban European specific questions, just eu-poltics.
Fair, but nuanced rules are difficult to enforce, and somewhat open to interpretation. This leads to people trying to skirt the rules and also good faith posts which break the rules which leads to conflict also.
I think it's better to keep things as simple as possible, as long as the rule is good enough.
Totally agree. But let's for example say someone asks a question about something related to economics. I think it would be unfair if Europeans could answer a lot of stuff about politics, while Americans are pretty limited.
Imo It already requires nuance at the moment, the only thing that would change is that all users would be treated the same
Please please pleeeease keep it.
Edit: If possible, disallow politics in general.
It already gets political ?s even though it's not supposed to. Taking out the rule just encourages even MORE of them.
eyyyyy, shameless self-promo, but i made a community a couple days ago called !politicaloptimism@piefed.social
i'm a little nervous about bringing this up since i'm the one of the only people active there right now, but we have a "Seeking Optimism" flair for people who are concerned about things and want assurance for the most sensational narratives over what's happening.
Subbed.
Well, I just subbed! I think it’ll be good for my mental health.
Big time keep as is
As long as "no ethics" doesn't become a new rule, I'm okay with this.
Keep the rule and LOL @ "orange lardsack"
Keep
PieFed has already implemented a feature which allows mods to move posts from one community to another. Lemmy and NodeBB are also working on this feature.
Ideally we choose a community where these posts are moved to, that way any great discussions aren't lost and they can carry on in the proper community.
25 years is pretty extreme, it's not like we need to wait decades for whole fields of research to occur before we have our own opinions--we're not academics with a responsibility to not spout random bullshit. Being randos on the internet, spouting bullshit is actually one of our primary activities.
4 years is probably sufficient to keep the volume reasonably balanced.
I'd say 8 would be better, just because they can have a second term. Usually those are consecutive, but still
Keep the rule as it is, and take those kinds of discussions in communities meant for political discussion. There's already enough of US politics everywhere else.
I had an issue where the politics community did not allow discussion posts and ask lemmy did not allow politics and it was like. what the heck can I discuss this. that being said I would prefer for politics communities to allow for discussion posts than politics in general ask lemmy.