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Cops will go fucking nuts on someone merely because they don't comply; their pea-brains simply cannot tolerate anyone who dares to question their authority.
Dude shouldn't have even gone into the house, he refused to leave and deescalate, then murdered a woman instead of just walking out of the door of a place he didn't even belong.
The problem is fear. In general, we don't teach cops how to deal with complex situations. We don't teach them how to deescalate potentially dangerous situations. We don't teach them how to peacefully resolve conflicts. All they are taught now is Killology (AKA Warrior Training).
Grossman’s America is a terrifying place where police are both the primary targets of and defenders against superpredation. “Increasingly the police must face organized opponents armed with assault rifles and bombs,” Grossman says at the outset of the class, citing an “explosion in violent crime” and an “extraordinary rise in violence” in the streets of America.
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Grossman maintains that America is now scarier than ever—and that cops may well be the ones with the most to fear. “We know that if it were not for all the body armor, bulletproof vests worn by officers, law enforcement fatalities in the United States would easily be double or even triple what they are today,” Grossman asserts. “If this is not war, then you tell me what is.”
Cops out there now are terrified that they are constantly in the sights of one bad guy or another. They are in a state of constant terror that anyone might pull out a gun and murder them. People in that mindset cannot be trusted to be "peace" officers.
Grossman maintains that America is now scarier than ever—and that cops may well be the ones with the most to fear. “We know that if it were not for all the body armor, bulletproof vests worn by officers, law enforcement fatalities in the United States would easily be double or even triple what they are today,” Grossman asserts. “If this is not war, then you tell me what is.”
This man has a financial interest in keeping officers as scared as possible so their Chief can book training courses with this guy.
I wouldn't take whatever he says as having any basis in reality.
You and I know that, but the cops he's training eat that shit up and then wet their pants in terror when an acorn falls on their squad car .
One of the fucking greatest things I've ever seen.
Dude apparently thinks he has been shot, so of course, what makes sense to do is:
'Combat roll'
(Utterly tactically useless given the angle from where he thought he was being shot from)
'Suppressive fire toward a restrained person in custody in a police cruiser...'
("I need to shoot my partner's car!")
'... narrowly missing his partner cop...'
'... and with flimsy ass shit tier residential townhomes as the back stop beyond the car.'
That guy needs to be sentenced to only be allowed to appear in public in a full on clown suit for 5 years.
Its actually a miracle he didn't kill anyone.
It didn't seem like at any point the woman was in a state of mind to calmly invite them in. It's like they always make the choice that maximizes their chance of shooting someone.
I saw footage of a different encounter where a bunch of police were hanging out right at her backdoor even though she was clearly distressed and didn't even think about giving her space. Pretty sure they also shot her through a screen door while she was still in her house.
The woman reported a prowler and they had already checked the outside of the house. I wonder if they actually needed to go inside the house in the first place.
I wouldn't voluntarily allow cops into my house unless the situation required them to enter my house.
Agreed. I wouldn't let one of them shitbags in my house if they were offering me a sack full of cash and a harem of consenting porn stars unless it was absolutely required by law. If I get burgled I'm just going down to give my statement so I can get a case for my insurance company because I know they ain't gonna investigate it and by allowing them in the house my odds of dying increase greatly.
Thank fuck. It feels like everytime I read a story like this, the officer in question is just "reprimanded", "placed under administrative leave" or "Not charged under due to immunity" or some shit.
I hope fuckers like these get what's coming to them.
I feel like that's 99% of cases and it's really disheartening. Good to see them actually get what should have happened to all the others a long time ago.
It’s going to take time to overcome the “before body cam” era, but this ending brings some hope. And proof they are needed.
Cops have a stressful, often life-threatening job, no doubt. But so do a lot of people. My family has a history of working in psychiatric lock-ups with extremely violent mentally ill and developmentally abnormal patients, most of whom are being held because of murders and rapes they've committed (usually of their own families), and who would murder you if they had the chance/inclination to do so, because they simply don't know any better. The nurses don't carry firearms, they're trained with a few restraining grappling technique and a lot of deescalation tactics. They don't even have tasers. Put an armed cop in that situation and you'd have a ward full of corpses within a few days. Hell, put a regular prison guard in that situation and you'd have a similar outcome. But my family members aren't MMA experts, and have never been [seriously] injured in their job. They've been properly trained, that's all. Cops are trained like they're being shipped off to 'Nam in 1969 to fight an unseen, non-uniformed enemy.
Dutch cops often walk around without guns.
Definitely a boys club and training issue in America.
Weak headline. Should read:
Cop gets 20 years for murdering woman who called 911 for help.
Gosh this is just depressing to read, no wonder people hate cops https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sonya_Massey
Its not even this, it's so much simpler. Mistakes happen, but so many of their "mistakes" are 100% avoidable and no one is ever accountable for their shitty actions. Thats the main reason I hate cops. They're arrogant assholes that just like to abuse citizens, and even when faced with irrefutable evidence of wrongdoing, "they did nothing wrong" by their dept.
Fast food workers are held under higher moral standards than the fucking cops. ACAB.
They arrogantly call themselves highly trained, highly paid professionals but when faced with reality they often panick and just start shooting.
No, sir, I think the problem was the part where you shouldn’t have acted, but did.
Imagine youre in an emergency, call the hotline that specifically exists to HELP people in emergencies as quickly as possible, 24/7, and they fucking kill you.
Ok, probably an unpopular opinion, but at the VERY least he felt remorse. Like he didn't double down.
It shouldn't be a lot to ask for, but unfortunately these days, it seems so. I agree.
These people are all liars, manipulators, rapists, abusers, and murderers. Part of the point of the trial is to find out if it was on purpose or not. And time and time again, magas always express sadness ONLY when punished, and then after, double down on it.
He should get life with no parole. It's not like she can come back after 20 years.
20 years is a long fucking time. It's enough. His life is still over
Couldn't agree more. To serve and protect would have been to take the scalding, not their life. If you're an officer the standard of conduct and consequence must be higher than for the citizen.
I remember watching the video after it happened. Damn it takes a long time for this shit to go through the courts.
Yeah courts are slow, better to have a fair trial though. I remember this video too, I’m sure all she was doing was boiling some water in a pan before he shot her.
I was JUST thinking about this. What a good time to hop on lemmy. Happy ending.
Well, I wouldn't say it's happy to be honest, a life has lost anyway. Not the worst one though, for sure
It's really weird that they capitalize "black" in these stories. I get that it's relevant to mention because these things happen to black people a lot more often, but that doesn't make it a proper noun. They didn't capitalize "white". It seems like pandering and it's kind of gross and racist in its own way.
RIP Sonya Massey. 20 years isn't really enough. But when it comes to police the bar is so low for them to get held accountable it is better than nothing.
What's worse is that type of behavior is explicitly trained into these goons. This means there were people above Grayson that are probably looking at this as an assault on their way of life. They are not looking into the training they provide to see what could be done different.
how much you want to bet he gets pardoned by the pedo cheeto before serving the lions share of that sentence?
Pedo cheeto cannot pardon state convictions. Thats up to the governor if we are following the law. But who knows.
I don't know if you've noticed, but "donald trump cannot [xyz] because [abc]" is not a phrase that has meaning anymore in this country, as far as I'm concerned. It's worth less than "liberty and justice for all", and those words are cheap here, nowadays.
Literally how many times does this have to play out before people recognize the pattern? I have lost fucking count.
>talking heads on TV: "donald trump cannot do the thing because it would not be allowed"
>donald trump: does the thing anyways
>everyone: surprised pikachu.jpg
He has already pardoned someone convicted at the state level, and is putting pressure on Colorado to release her. Even going as far as EOs to punish the state.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-pardon-tina-peters-colorado-43abc451b87ade3bd63b4b246f31edd4
Don't give in Colorado, and set a precedent. Hang tight, she's a MAGA traitor who violated her responsibility, and she deserves her sentence.
Not only a law enforcement failure, but the US healthcare system proves once again it sucks complete shit. Sonya was suffering from a mental disorder and let me guess, her shitty health insurance, if she had any, did not allow her to be in an institute.
According to body camera footage, Grayson and sheriff’s Deputy Dawson Farley, who was not charged, searched Massey's yard before meeting her at her door. Massey appeared confused and repeatedly said, “Please, God.” The deputies entered her house, Grayson noticed the pot on the stove and ordered Farley to move it. Instead, Massey went to the stove, retrieved the pot and teased Grayson for moving away from “the hot, steaming water.” From this moment, the exchange quickly escalated. Massey said: “I rebuke you in the name of Jesus.” Grayson drew his sidearm and yelled at her to drop the pan. She set the pot down and ducked behind a counter. But she appeared to pick it up again. That's when Grayson opened fire on the 36-year-old single mother, shooting her in the face. He testified that he feared Massey would scald him. Grayson was charged with three counts of first-degree murder, which could have led to a life sentence, but a jury convicted him of the lesser charge. Illinois allows for a second-degree murder conviction if evidence shows the defendant honestly thought he was in danger, even if that fear was unreasonable.
That's a pretty fucked up situation. Would have been nice if they would have just left.
There has to be more to it than the article quotes,
I saw the video of it. He has no excuse to responding to her the way he did. She was not threatening in any way. 100% calm until he yelled at her and pointed his gun at her so she hid behind the counter. This prick deserves everything he has coming to him in prison.
I remember when this was on the news, I watched the video.
I want to believe the cop is actually sorry but I can't trust any cop at this point.