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a liberal is figuring out something a lot of us here knew at some point but ALSO had to learn.
This is now a teaching moment for Rebecca on Bsky. Hopefully someone isnt a complete hypocrite and does with her like a LOT of the libs here had done with them in the past, and is taught something beyond complaining.
this website is populated by liberals and a lot of its posters are in need of some fucking inward thought.
This is now a teaching moment for Rebecca on Bsky. Hopefully someone isnt a complete hypocrite and does with her like a LOT of the libs here had done with them in the past, and is taught something beyond complaining.
As Thomas Sankara famously said, "who the fuck is scraeming 'STOP EXPLAINING' at my house. show yourself, coward. i will never stop explaining"
People need to have a little bit of grace and remember how they got here from where they were. We're all libs here /s(hibboleth) but also some folks came here from the mouth of the alt-right pipeline and some people are reformed reactionaries.
In 2014 when Mike Brown was killed and BLM initially popped off I was libbed up, in 2020 when George Floyd was murdered I had already developed a radical viewpoint. Rebecca in the OP could easily follow that same arc 
A little grace is a good way to put it.
We didn't all spring forth as the antifa supersoldiers we all like to think we are so yeah, a little grace for those on the cusp there. Being a hardass does nothing but push those potential radicals the wrong way.
We didn't all spring forth as the antifa supersoldiers
Precisely!
we all like to think we are so yeah,
I'm'a be real with you bro shit keeps getting realer and it's making my little feetsies get cold 
Y'all need to join some orgs. I've said this before, and I'll say it again. The reason the black panthers got shut down was because they organized fed people and built a socialist program that led towards liberation. All this fetishizing guns and second amendment stuff is completely missing the point of what made the black panthers and Fred Hampton a threat to Empire.
Obviously you do need the tools and I'm not saying people shouldn't be able to defend themselves, but we're running to a specific thing, and we need to funnel people towards organizing. And when we're organized, then everything else we need to do is possible and attainable. Otherwise, we're just liberals with guns.
On the other hand, communist orgs in the USA still haven’t gotten serious about forming disciplined armed militias and cadres, and teaching people how to defend themselves and operate with squad tactics.
A communist org in the USA filled with people who don’t have guns is also just a de facto liberal party
"no war but the class war!"
nobody is armed
the majority has never touched a firearm before
nobody has read a single text on how to wage war
"what's coin? why are we talking about currency?"
People are rightly paranoid as fuck about doing that! Anything like that has got to be underground, which is itself a difficult concept given the modern surveillance apparatus.
Ok then let’s just hang up our hats and surrender then. Revolution too scary.
That's not what I'm saying at all. Revolution requires some preconditions. These aren't just things that we passively wait for, but neither can you just put the cart before the horse. You can't have an 'underground' without a serious 'aboveground' support system. In some contexts, that means a countryside full of sympathetic farmers. In others, it means significant membership in leftist political orgs (worker and student unions, political parties etc).
Ok, that makes more sense. I misunderstood and thought you were more advocating the defeatist Liberal argument of 'we can't do anything against the state it's too powerful'
The reason why the black panthers had the political legitimacy to be able to be armed in their communities in a way that made their people feel safe was because they were effective organizers. And one of the major issues that the party ran into was people who are way too excited about guns, thinking that guns are the whole thing.
I hope we do not see a repeat of the 2020 Summer of Love (I know that's a chud phrase I'm trying to #TakeItBack) where things build to a fever pitch but ultimately peter out. I do like seeing the libs get radicalized, or at least get woke, in real time.
I think it is super common among people like this to see firearms as some inscrutable beast with its own agency, rather than a tool they can read the instructions for. And they think then the only way to uncover their mysteries is to be initiated into the secret cult of knowledge by some chud NRA instructor or mil/LEO. Or in this case, organized Black Marxists 
to come and save them.
Point is I wish these wokifying libs knew that they could actually help themselves. And that the success of the Panthers is not rooted in protesting, but the very un-sexy work of community organizing.
What Rebecca would really benefit from, IMO, is someone to tell her that she can teach herself:
Now this (well intentioned and consciously self-developing) lib will have taught themselves everything they hoped to learn and they didn't have to spend a penny with chuds who want them violated or waiting for a cadre to come and teach them to stand on their own two feet.
And once thus empowered, realize that this didn't actually create a revolutionary movement 
and they have to go out and talk to their neighbors 
100% agree with this..saw a similar trend of lefties buying guns and then immediately getting sucked into the worst firearms training advice that they could find, and completely missing the part where you have to go and start shooting a competition sport (literally any, I don't care if it's steel challenge, trap shooting, or USPSA) and become proficient.
Balancing a coin on your pistol and squeezing the trigger is a terrible drill and just because 100 people think it isn't a bad drill doesn't make it true.
I'm not trying to gatekeep, but the number of leftists who are actually decent at shooting are going to get drowned out by people who picked up a gun yesterday and learned to dry fire this morning.
I saw it happen last time, and I'm sure it will happen again.
Learning first aid isn't a "sexy" part of this stuff but is so necessary. Learning how to use a tourniquet could save someone's life.
Then cleaning a gun, oiling it, fixing a jam without pointing a loaded weapon at everyone around you.
I took a couple comrades shooting and it was one of the most stressful days of the year. The amount of times I've had to run over and point the gun down range before they turned around with a loaded weapon, finger on the trigger, to ask a question was way too much for me to handle. I even had another friend come with me to help them get acquainted to shooting and it was still a lot of work making sure people didn't injure themselves or put lives in danger.
Even loading the gun takes work. Putting bullets inside of the magazines is hard work if you're not used to it, then cocking the gun back to fire without pointing it at your own feet? Getting upper body strength is also majorly important when handling a gun.
So true.
The comment about taking others to the range and having to then constantly be on alert to manage everyone, you made me remember some similar instances to what you had to manage. Wild stuff. It's a lot of work and the best is when it's a public range or state game lands where there are other people that are equally unsafe but you can't do anything about. Lots of hair went grey that day....
I mean that's every new shooter. It's ok. People have to be new so they can get old at it
...and completely missing the part where you have to go and start shooting a competition sport (literally any, I don't care if it's steel challenge, trap shooting, or USPSA) and become proficient.
I didn't miss that part, I have a well-informed and holistic picture of how lacking I am lol.
But I don't think you are gatekeeping to say that bad training can be actively restrictive. Even in general, someone might be better off understanding they are unskilled in a task, vs having learned that task inadequately or incorrectly and thinking, put me in coach, I'm ready to play!
Absolutely. We all start somewhere
weapon handling, draw/reholster, using a long arm with a sling
What's that?
I assume you are asking clarification for the last part? A long arm is simply a long barreled weapon like a rifle or a shotgun, and a sling is attached to it to allow you to carry it hands-free on your body, aid in weapon retention if get jostled while holding it, and can also be utilized as a 'hasty sling' by wrapping it around your support arm to aid in aiming.
What Rebecca would really benefit from, IMO, is someone to tell her
So go tell her.
unfortunately she has since posted about taking a potentially permanent break from social media
I didn't take this in a bad way but I wanted to respond, I don't think this is a "be the change you want to see" situation. The kind of thought process the OP on bsky is going through is something we're going to see more of and something we saw a lot on 2020. So I meant less that "someone outta go tell her" but rather that when, not if, we encounter this in our own circles we can engage constructively.
I think I’d rather have libs arming up with us than not. Late to the party but fuck it, we need bodies
Who are the libs in this case?
Every day I come to this website, I see a post expecting me to dunk on the subject and I’m left completely baffled as to which direction you all will go
Reminds me of the awful takes here during blm
The libs are the people who oppose ice but also have a natural inclination to peaceful non-violent civil disobedience. I don’t think anyone’s expecting you to dunk on this lady, just to see that a self-described “progressive” that’s “part of the blue wave” is waking up to the reality of armed Marxist self defense
This is a liberal website.
pantone's post doesn't seem to be expecting us to dunk so I'm confused. OP doesn't really seem to be either, I got the same vibe SickSemper did
expecting us to dunk
To encourage a more neutral discussion I might say something bland or I simply quote the post. People can react strongly to the title and argue about that instead of the post itself. Also in this case - I don't know what to think. Bluesky libs are surprising me with their anger and stream-of-consciousness apparent willingness to move to the left. I think they are honestly saying what's on their mind but that doesn't mean they'll actually change. Talk is cheap and change - real change in particular - is hard. And we all know how much libs are addicted to voting as their non-solution to everything.
I also xposted it in c/guns to see what they had to say.
Sounds to me like they're in a great spot to educate and drag to a DSA meeting or whatever is nearby left of Dems.
Yeah, I didn’t read the OP as dunking on anyone. Personally I’m happy to see liberals coming to terms with the need for community defense.
I wasn’t on the website during 2020 so idk how it was then, but I’m happy to give kudos to libs when they reach the correct conclusion once in a while
There is often no distinction made between committed active liberals, and those who just passively 
for them. The former all need to be put before people's tribunals (in the kindest scenario), but a portion of the latter are unrealized socialists who will need to be courted and educated at some point.
Yea i mean other than expecting bla k people to do the work for them this is the exact right sentiment. They just need to do some reading and find a local org rather than trying to start a big brothers big sisters program for liberals.
I agree, only thing that left a bad taste for me was the expectation of being brought a rep from the BPP to act as a Sherpa.
We’ll get there
I think the idea of asking for mentorship is coming from a good place, white liberal activists have pushed Black radicals to the sides in the past plenty, I think the libs are trying to learn from the mistakes of their past and "center Black voices" as they were taught by BLM in 2020. I'm just glad they are asking for the Panthers and not for help to do more sit-ins and marches anymore.
Ah so it begins. I know we think of liberals as spineless, as they rightfully are, but absolutely any person can be radicalized into violence if the right conditions are developing.
The liberal revolutions of the 18th and 19th century are a testament to that.
The question is how can this be developed to create class consciousness so that we have a 1917 instead of a 1848.
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Just signed up for a concealed carry permit class and we’ll be purchasing my gist firearm this weekend. We all need to get ready for what’s coming.
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NRA is loving this...
Another win for a Trump mate.
If you resist or even prepare to resist, you're just giving the Nazis what they want!!!
I mean it isn't a win for Trump, really at all, but NRA represents gun manufacturers primarily, so it is a bit of a win for them.
The last capitalist will lobby for the loose gun laws with which (legal counsel has advised me not to continue this joke)
As always: join an org so you can capitalize on this sentiment. Canvass libs to do community defense training. Get speaking spots at events to advertise your community defense training. At your community defense training, train community defense but also propagandize and get them to go to your organization's pipeline orientation. You will peel off enough people to build your org, increasing your capacity to do these things, including grow the org even more.
Anyone else remember the really performative photo ops of Panthers that showed up in 2020 and then did absolutely nothing, not even issue statements? That was weird, huh?
there are a variety of formations claiming to be continuations of the original BPP, Probably some are just cosplayers.
I think that was a different group from the one in Philadelphia now.
Yeah that maybe was the "New Black Panther Party" which was just a crank walking around outside a polling place in Philly that Fox turned into a multi year object of obsession
